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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
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 Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:54 am Post subject: Silence of the Lambs |
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One of the reasons, why Christians don't shut up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBZunv9kgd0
They will be on Oprah tonight.
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:03 am Post subject: |
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Here's the basic problem with evangelical activities: Your beliefs get in the way of my rights to the pursuit of happiness.
Here's the lack of a problem with my beliefs: they never get in your way. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
Here's the basic problem with evangelical activities: Your beliefs get in the way of my rights to the pursuit of happiness.
Here's the lack of a problem with my beliefs: they never get in your way. |
Ok, then don't post in my threads then.  |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
Ok, then don't post in my threads then. |
Can we expect the same reciprocity from you then?
[post here to sign up for this deal, folks!]
Great, count me in!
Please refrain from posting in any thread I start, unless
A) it is a thread explicitly of a religious nature (such as a creationism vs. evulution debate, or a "Muslims/Hindus/Buddhists vs. Christians, etc.),
or
B) your post makes no reference to any religion whatsoever (yours or others).
Thanks,
BSJ
(To bad igotthisguitar didn't accept a simialr offer I made to him earlier this year- he starts more threads than I do, it would have been to his advantage to have done so.) |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
Here's the basic problem with evangelical activities: Your beliefs get in the way of my rights to the pursuit of happiness.
Here's the lack of a problem with my beliefs: they never get in your way. |
In the past, EFL has stated opinions much in contrast to what I have said. I only said what I said, because I thought the double standard was too obvious. I guess not. |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
Here's the basic problem with evangelical activities: Your beliefs get in the way of my rights to the pursuit of happiness.
Here's the lack of a problem with my beliefs: they never get in your way. |
Evangelical activities be damned, I'll continue to do what I do, ignore them or tell them in no uncertain terms to f@ck off. Its their bloody legislative agenda that really cramps my style. |
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AbbeFaria
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any religious overtones in that video. So I'm a bit lost.
In regards to the video itself, to me it's a prime case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. If we don't help with these African children, then we're the great greedy evil superpower who doesn't help anyone but ourselves. But when we do try to help the response is "just give us your money and shut up." If we try to make sure the money goes to where it will best be needed and not to buy more weapons then we're imposing Amercan values on a foriegn nation or spreading our imperialist agenda. Pisses me off.
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fiveeagles
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If you haven't been on the forum for long, then you wouldn't understand. Sorry about the confusion.
Anyway, did anyone see the show on Oprah?
AbbeFaria, I believe it is mainly about the heart intention. Obviously, you have to be wise to what you put your support towards, but if you have to give hoping that it is going to change something. Right? |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: Silence of the Lambs |
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Why is this a specifically 'Christian' thing? If you're point is that Christianity is somehow validated by concern for people in trouble abroad I'm sorry, but American Christianity doesn't look so good. Liberal Judaism and Unitarianism would come out way ahead when it comes to international humanitarian political activism on a per capita basis.
If you simply said 'one of the reasons why compasionate people don't give up' you'd probably find more people interested in the motivation behind your actions ... or is compasion purposeless if it has no direct link to proselytising and apologetics? |
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jaganath69
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| Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:12 am Post subject: Re: Silence of the Lambs |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Why is this a specifically 'Christian' thing? If you're point is that Christianity is somehow validated by concern for people in trouble abroad I'm sorry, but American Christianity doesn't look so good. Liberal Judaism and Unitarianism would come out way ahead when it comes to international humanitarian political activism on a per capita basis.
If you simply said 'one of the reasons why compasionate people don't give up' you'd probably find more people interested in the motivation behind your actions ... or is compasion purposeless if it has no direct link to proselytising and apologetics? |
Let me back that up by adding that in the clip alluded to was one Richard Pendergast of the International Crisis Group. This organisation have been influential in raising awareness of a number of crises and played a large role in bringing the conflict in Aceh to a peaceful resolution. Oh yeah, they are not a religious group, just a concerned NGO. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Silence of the Lambs |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Why is this a specifically 'Christian' thing? If you're point is that Christianity is somehow validated by concern for people in trouble abroad I'm sorry, but American Christianity doesn't look so good. Liberal Judaism and Unitarianism would come out way ahead when it comes to international humanitarian political activism on a per capita basis.
If you simply said 'one of the reasons why compasionate people don't give up' you'd probably find more people interested in the motivation behind your actions ... or is compasion purposeless if it has no direct link to proselytising and apologetics? |
The make up of Christianity is that we feed the poor, house the homeless and defend the widows. If other organizations do such actions then that's great! However, God throne is made up of justice so it's on Christians to be the defenders of the cause.
Yo Suk Bum, I got news for ya. If any one has beliefs or opinions than they are evangelical. My purpose in life is to bring reconcilliation to this earth through relationship; relationship to God, ourselves, the earth and society. If some people are upset by my views on how we should conduct our affairs in life. Then too bad! It's totally hypocritical to put the onus on Christians for evangelising while putting the megaphone to immorality.
Unfortunately, it's hard to see Christ in the midst of what is going on in the earth right now. Especially since the church is being purged of such wickedness. I can understand the anger.
And finally, while the three film makers are professed Christians, the organization is not. So what?
What about Bono? What about Martin Luther King? What about Lincoln? What about Newton?
Who you tell them to shut up if you had a chance to tell them your opinions? |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Silence of the Lambs |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
The make up of Christianity is that we feed the poor, house the homeless and defend the widows. If other organizations do such actions then that's great! However, God throne is made up of justice so it's on Christians to be the defenders of the cause. |
Well, having lived in America and observed the average Evangelical Christian it looks more like the make-up of Christianity is more typically to go to church once or twice a week, keep up appearances, and be highly jugdemental.
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| It's totally hypocritical to put the onus on Christians for evangelising while putting the megaphone to immorality. |
What the hell is this supposed to mean? It makes no sense whatsoever.
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Unfortunately, it's hard to see Christ in the midst of what is going on in the earth right now. Especially since the church is being purged of such wickedness. I can understand the anger. |
Who's angry and about what? What wickedness?
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| And finally, while the three film makers are professed Christians, the organization is not. So what? |
A good question indeed. You labelled this noteably Christian. So what?
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What about Bono? What about Martin Luther King? What about Lincoln? What about Newton?
Who you tell them to shut up if you had a chance to tell them your opinions? |
I'd tell MLK I'm not interested in his religion and I'm sure he'd respect that. If he didn't I'd bring up his affairs and ask why he only smoked in the closet. I'd tell Newton to shut up if he claimed that his work somehow validated his religion.
If you think that chance examples of concern for others are going to make American evangelicalism look good I suggest you re-read Matthew 7:16 and consider how American Christians look compared to others.
Isaiah 30:15 would also be well worth looking up. |
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fiveeagles
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| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, having lived in America and observed the average Evangelical Christian it looks more like the make-up of Christianity is more typically to go to church once or twice a week, keep up appearances, and be highly jugdemental. |
So, who's judging? Some, but not all. Like I have said in other posts, the church is probably about 15 percent of it's potential. If you are looking for mistakes, then it will be easy to find. Which ties into the wickedness of the church. A lot of people reject the church because they see its great immorality. Like you just have. However, there are many churches that aren't about what you have said and they live in the fullness of Christ.
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| I'd tell MLK I'm not interested in his religion and I'm sure he'd respect that. If he didn't I'd bring up his affairs and ask why he only smoked in the closet. I'd tell Newton to shut up if he claimed that his work somehow validated his religion. |
You can't separate the men from the source.
I am much afraid that schools will prove to be the great gates of hell unless they diligently labor in explaining the Holy Scriptures, engraving them in the hearts of youth. I advise no one to place his child where the scriptures do not reign paramount. --Martin Luther
The law of gravity became Newton's best-known discovery. He warned against using it to view the universe as a mere machine, like a great clock. He said, "Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who set the planets in motion. God governs all things and knows all that is or can be done."[
Newton
The point being that Christianity and those who have followed, have often made great contributions to this world. |
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Don Gately
Joined: 20 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| The point being that Christianity and those who have followed, have often made great contributions to this world. |
They have also kept people suffering from horrible neurological diseases from getting the best care possible.
Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease effect millions of Americans, but those citizens' government will not fund the best hope for a cure, stem-cell research, because the most effective stem-cells come from embryos.
I would encourage everyone to go here, find the e-mail of your congressperson, both senators and the president and tell them that House Resolution 810 must be passed, with enough votes to override the mouth-breathing knuckle-dragger we have in the Oval Office's veto if need be.
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| The Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act (SCREA) passed the U.S. House of Representatives last May, and has been delayed in the Senate ever since. President Bush is against it, and has promised to use his first-ever veto to try and shut it down. Naturally we want to override that veto, and we might actually get the 2/3 majority a veto override requires. But first it had to be brought to the floor—without tricks. |
I'm sick of all this, "If you don't want to hear my message, just ignore me; we're all trying to evangelize here" bullshit. I am trying to evangelize: I want debilitating diseases to be researched and cured. You want some imaginary friend with a beard above the clouds to save the world.
I sincerely hope all of you holy rollers get Raptured tomorrow so the rest of us can get down to real world problems and not have to put up with you anymore. |
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