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rapier
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| By historical record, I was primarily thinking of people writing down, "We were considering moving to Oslo, but we thought better of it because it really seems like the dinosaur problem is out of control there." |
Ok. Here are some.
The giant reptile at Bures in Suffolk, for example, is known to us from a chronicle of 1405:
'Close to the town of Bures, near Sudbury, there has lately appeared, to the great hurt of the countryside, a dragon, vast in body, with a crested head, teeth like a saw, and a tail extending to an enormous length. Having slaughtered the shepherd of a flock, it devoured many sheep.'
After an unsuccessful attempt by local archers to kill the beast, due to its impenetrable hide,
'...in order to destroy him, all the country people around were summoned. But when the dragon saw that he was again to be assailed with arrows, he fled into a marsh or mere and there hid himself among the long reeds, and was no more seen.'
Later in the 15th century, according to a contemporary chronicle that still survives in Canterbury Cathedral's library, the following incident was reported. On the afternoon of Friday, 26th September, 1449, two giant reptiles were seen fighting on the banks of the River Stour (near the village of Little Cornard) which marked the English county borders of Suffolk and Essex. One was black, and the other 'reddish and spotted'. After an hour-long struggle that took place 'to the admiration of many [of the locals] beholding them', the black monster yielded and returned to its lair, the scene of the conflict being known ever since as Sharpfight Meadow.
As late as August, 1614, the following sober account was given of a strange reptile that was encountered in St Leonard's Forest in Sussex. The sighting was near a village that was known as Dragon's Green long before this report was published:
'This serpent (or dragon as some call it) is reputed to be nine feete, or rather more, in length, and shaped almost in the form of an axletree of a cart: a quantitie of thickness in the middest, and somewhat smaller at both endes. The former part, which he shootes forth as a necke, is supposed to be an elle [3 ft 9 ins or 1 l4 cms] long; with a white ring, as it were, of scales about it. The scales along his back seem to be blackish, and so much as is discovered under his belie, appeareth to be red... it is likewise discovered to have large feete, but the eye may there be deceived, for some suppose that serpents have no feete ... [The dragon] rids away (as we call it) as fast as a man can run. His food [rabbits] is thought to be; for the most part, in a conie-warren, which he much frequents ...There are likewise upon either side of him discovered two great bunches so big as a large foote-ball, and (as some thinke) will in time grow to wings, but God, I hope, will (to defend the poor people in the neighbourhood) that he shall be destroyed before he grows to fledge.'
This dragon was seen in various places within a circuit of three or four miles, and the pamphlet named some of the still-living witnesses who had seen him. These included John Steele, Christopher Holder and a certain 'widow woman dwelling neare Faygate'. Another witness was 'the carrier of Horsham, who lieth at the White Horse [inn] in Southwark'. One of the locals set his two mastiffs onto the monster, and apart from losing his dogs he was fortunate to escape alive from the encounter, for the dragon was already credited with the deaths of a man and woman at whom it had spat and who consequently had been killed by its venom. When approached unwittingly, our pamphleteer tells us, the monster was...
'...of countenance very proud and at the sight or hearing of men or cattel will raise his neck upright and seem to listen and looke about, with great arrogancy.'
an eyewitness account of typically reptilian behaviour.
Again, as late as 27th and 28th May 1669, a large reptilian animal was sighted many times, as was reported in the pamphlet: A True Relation of a Monstrous Serpent seen at Henham (Essex) on the Mount in Saffron Waldon.
In 1867 was seen, for the last time, the monster that lived in the woods around Fittleworth in Sussex. It would run up to people hissing and spitting if they happened to stumble across it unawares, although it never harmed anyone.
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/aftertheflood.html
Amazing as it may sound the dragon seems to have a basis in fact and it still haunts the wild, and sometimes not so wild corners of our strange little planet. Modern sightings include a huge, winged reptile that terrorized the San Antonio valley, Texas for several months in 1976. A house sized, long necked, scaly, green dragon with formidable teeth that has eaten fishermen and livestock in Lake Wembu, Tibet, and a horned, black-scaled dragon seen by five hundred witnesses in July 2002 in Lake Tianchie, northeast China. In fact there are so many modern dragon sightings from around the world that I have written a book on the subject, "Dragons; More than a Myth?" that is due out in Spring 2004.
Some dragon sightings are much closer to home. In the early 19th century folklorist Mary Trevelyan interviewed many elderly people living in the Glamorgan area of Wales. They recounted memories from their youth (early 19th century) of a race of winged serpents said to inhabit the forest around Penllyne Castle. They had crested heads and feathery wings. The serpents were brightly coloured and sparkled as if covered with jewels. They rested coiled on the ground but if threatened would attack by swooping down at their aggressors.
The snakes killed poultry and were described as "the terrors of farmyards and coverts" many were shot for their depreditations of livestock. One woman recalled that her grandfather shot one after it attacked him. Its skin had hung for years on the wall at his farm. Tragically it was discarded after his death.
http://www.mysteriousbritain.co.uk/fortean/british_dragons.html
"And by this city was a stagne or a pond like a sea, wherein was a dragon which envenomed all the country. And on a time the people were assembled for to slay him, and when they saw him they fled. And when he came nigh the city he venomed the people with his breath, and therefore the people of the city gave to him every day two sheep for to feed him, because he should do no harm to the people, and when the sheep failed there was taken a man and a sheep."
Jacobus de Voraigne, account of St Georges Dinosaur,1275
http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/golden000.htm
Simply substitute the word dinosaur (recent scientific term) for "Dragon" and it starts to make sense. Various reptilian creatures that walk upright and prey upon people, livestock, down to rabits depending on their size. |
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laogaiguk
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All those links Rapier gave are religious, I figured he would have pulled this stuff from IGTG's sites. Is it just a big conspiracy to not show this "proof"???
How many people have seen UFO's in today's day and age? Or good ol' Nessie? Or bigfoot? You think a couple of reports from superstitious people 700 years ago is proof.
I don't know if I should laugh, cry, feel pity or be scared of this??? |
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jaganath69
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| You need to seek help. Now. Dragons and beestes my foot. |
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Moldy Rutabaga
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I suppose some literal creationists might argue for recent dinosaurs in order to make a young-earth belief fit with fossil evidence-- but by and large religion isn't relevant to this thread. You wouldn't have to be religious to believe or not believe in modern-day monsters.
Maybe they existed. But there's a healthy amount of exaggeration in many medieval accounts, when telling a good story was as important as factual accuracy. Someone who'd never seen a crocodile before might describe it as a giant reptile. It's also a way for people who feel helpless in the forces of nature who attribute a fire or storm or some disaster to tangible causes, like flying beasts.
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dogbert
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Rapier said it.
I believe it.
That settles it. |
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Bulsajo
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O Rapier, I bend my knee before thee- this thread proveth thou art truly the king of trolles.
All hail the King, baby.
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rapier
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Not all my threads are religious. Even if so, the evidence still stands to show that dinosaurs and man coexist(ed).
Lets look at the next:
1) A diplodocus is depicted in a rock painting in the Grand Canyon:
"The fact that the animal is pictured upright, and balanced on its tail, ��would seem to indicate that the artist must have seen it alive��.
http://www.christiancourier.com/penpoints/havaSupaiCarving.htm
Curator of Vertebrate Paleontology with the United States National Museum examines the evidence.
http://www.creationism.org/swift/DohenyExpedition/Doheny01Main.htm
2)Did dinosaurs become extinct at least 60 million years before man evolved? Almost all textbooks that address the subject say they did. Movies and television vividly portray this. One hears it even at Disney World and other amusement parks. Some will say that every educated person believes this. We frequently hear stories that begin with impressive-sounding phrases such as, ��Two hundred million years ago, as dinosaurs ruled the earth, ...�� But none of this is evidence; some of it is an appeal to authority. (Evidence must be observable and verifiable.)
Did man and dinosaurs live at the same time? Scientists in the former Soviet Union have reported a layer of rock containing more than 2,000 dinosaur footprints alongside tracks ��resembling human footprints.��1 Obviously, both types of footprints were made in mud or sand that later hardened into rock. If some are human footprints, then man and dinosaurs lived at the same time. Similar discoveries have been made in Arizona.2 Were it not for the theory of evolution, few would doubt that these were human footprints.
Soft dinosaur tissue has now been recovered from several dinosaurs: three tyrannosaurs (T rex) and one hadrosaur. It is ridiculous to believe that soft tissue can be preserved for more than 60,000,000 years, but it could be preserved for 5,000 years.
Consider the many dragon legends. Most ancient cultures have stories or artwork of dragons that strongly resemble dinosaurs.6 The World Book Encyclopedia states that:
The dragons of legend are strangely like actual creatures that have lived in the past. They are much like the great reptiles [dinosaurs] which inhabited the earth long before man is supposed to have appeared on earth. Dragons were generally evil and destructive. Every country had them in its mythology.7
The simplest and most obvious explanation for so many common descriptions of dragons from around the world is that man once knew the dinosaurs.
http://208.55.7.236/onlinebook/FAQ25.html
Were Dragons dinosaurs?
Check these out:
DRAGONS IN PARADISE by Henry M. Morris, Ph.D.*
http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-241.htm
Dinosaurs in history
http://www.creationdefense.org/22.htm
Dinosaurs in history
http://www.johnankerberg.com/Articles/science/SC0700W1.htm
Dragons and Dinosaur - Are they the same?
http://www.nwcreation.net/dinosdragons.html
Dinosaurs, Sea Serpents, and ��Dragons�� in the Time of Man.
http://www.triumphpro.com/dinosaurs___sea_serpents.htm
Dinosaur and farmer
On May 13, 1572 a dinosaur may have been killed by a peasant farmer in Italy (pg 41 "The Great Dinosaur Mystery" by Paul Taylor ISBN 0-89636-264-7)
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/dinoscoexist.html
Dinosaurs in the bible:
The Bible's behemoth, leviathon and tanniyns were dinosaurs.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i2/behemoth.asp
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/behemoth.html
http://www.apologeticspress.org/rr/rr2003/r&r0302a.htm
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml
Job 40, 15-24
15) Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
16) Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
17) He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
18)His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
19) He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
20) Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
21) He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
22) The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
23) Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
24) He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.
Beautiful description.
Dinosaur & human prints in Russia:
A startling report appeared in the Sydney Morning Herald (Australia) on page 1 of a late edition on November 21, 1983:
"A report from the Soviet News agency, Tass, says that about 1500 tracks made by dinosaurs have been found in Turkmenia, but among those prints are those resembling the footprints of a man. According to Professor Amanniyazov, Director of Turkmenia's Institute of Geology, 'If further analysis proves that the prints have been left by anthropoids, the history of mankind will be extended to 150 million not 5 million years.'"
At first we had serious reservations about this report, especially when we heard (in September of 1984) that the Directors of the Creation Research Foundation (in Queensland, Australia) had been unsuccessfully trying to trace the source of the report. In an issue of their journal, Ex Nihilo. they recommended caution. However, they then were able to report (in the next issue of Ex Nihilo) that the account was authentic, having been published in Moscow News, No. 24, 1983, on p.10. Moscow News is an official Moscow paper in English, partly for overseas personnel. We ourselves were also able to do some tracking, and came up with a much more elaborate report, as follows: TRACKING DINOSAURS (Cr. V. Rubstsov) Moscow News, No. 24, p. 10, 1983. "This spring, an expedition from the Institute of Geology of the Turkmen SSR Academy of Sciences found over 1,500 tracks left by dinosaurs in the mountains in the south-east of the Republic. Impressions resembling in shape a human footprint were discovered next to the tracks of the prehistoric animals. Our correspondent Alexander Romashko reports:
'I stood only a step away from a smooth clearing receding up the slope. I stepped forward and found myself in the Mesozoic era, i.e., nearly 150 million years in the past. A chain of dinosaur tracks started at my feet. It looked as if the huge prehistoric beasts passed by here very recently, leaving imprints of massive paws every 1.5 meters.
"Paleontologists explained to me later on that with this long stride, the reptiles had to be 8-12 meters tall. All of a sudden we saw, next to the three-fingered track of a dinosaur, a not-very-clear but quite discernable track looking very much like a human footprint. Anyway, all those who saw it first thought so. Since I am no scholar, I ventured to come forth with an assumption: 'Who knows but maybe our very far removed ancestors did mingle with dinosaurs?' .......
"'Science might possibly answer that in the affirmative sometime in the future', said Professor Kurban Amanniyazov, head of the expedition, Corresponding Member of the Turkmen SSR Academy of Sciences, director of the Institute of Geology'. However, at present we don't have enough grounds to say this. We've imprints resembling human footprints, but to date have failed to determine, with any scientific veracity, whom they belong to, after all. Of course, if we could prove that they do belong to a humanoid, then it would create a revolution in the science of man. Humanity would 'grow older' thirty-fold and its history would be at least 150 millions years long."
The report goes on to mention that dinosaur tracks have been discovered in the Americas, in Europe, in Africa, as well as in Georgia and Uzbekistan of Russia. The area where these present footprints have been found is in Southeast Turkmenia, not far from the Khodzha-pil-ata village.
taken from: http://home.texoma.net/~linesden/cem/diss/v2ch1.htm |
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jaganath69
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| Dinosaurs in the bible, bats in your f*ckin head more like it. Up your meds now son. |
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rapier
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| Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:53 am Post subject: |
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| jaganath69 wrote: |
| Dinosaurs in the bible, bats in your f*ckin head more like it. Up your meds now son. |
Its quite amazing really, the ability of humans to overlook evidence and believe only what they want, discarding whatever doesn't fit into their agenda. The eyewitness reports of 500 people convinced they have seen a living dinosaur in a Chinese lake? perhaps they all just made it up.
i think conclusive proof of a living dinosaur will be found soon (if it isn't suppressed by scientists embarrassed to admit dinosaurs did not become extinct 65 millioan years ago). Chances are that one of the many expeditions planned for the Congo (as soon as civil war stops) will at last bring back a photo of Mokele mbembe. Sighted by several scientists and numerous locals already.
http://www.mokelembembe.com/ |
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jaganath69
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| Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
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| Dinosaurs in the bible, bats in your f*ckin head more like it. Up your meds now son. |
Its quite amazing really, the ability of humans to overlook evidence and believe only what they want, discarding whatever doesn't fit into their agenda. The eyewitness reports of 500 people convinced they have seen a living dinosaur in a Chinese lake? perhaps they all just made it up.
i think conclusive proof of a living dinosaur will be found soon (if it isn't suppressed by scientists embarrassed to admit dinosaurs did not become extinct 65 millioan years ago). Chances are that one of the many expeditions planned for the Congo (as soon as civil war stops) will at last bring back a photo of Mokele mbembe. Sighted by several scientists and numerous locals already.
http://www.mokelembembe.com/ |
OK then, pardon my earlier cynicism, but why is it with all the Loch monsters and Lake Beasties that nobody has yet to provide definetive proof of their existence, despite the technology being available? To my knowledge, several surveys have been carried out on Loch Ness and all for naught. As regards Mokele, watch the BBC documentary 'Congo' for a more rational explanation of that old pygmy's tale. |
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SeoulFinn
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| Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:02 am Post subject: A bit off topic. Don't let me hijack this thread. |
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(Notice: The following is not an attack on any believers of any faith.)
Didn't some people try to explain the exsistence of dinosaur bones and fossils by claiming that they were planted there by some power or even by a group of people? And yes, that power was extraterrestial in origin. I can't remember if it was a god or alien, though.
The interesting thing to me is how some people can count the time to the very moment of creation. All this based of some religious texts. For the Jewish people this happened 5766 years ago. (I might be wrong.) So you could use this "fact" as a proof that dinosaurs (or anything older than that) must be fake and fabrication. Hey, before creation there simply can't be anything, right? Isn't that the whole idea?
So, why did this power plant all those bones and fossils over there? Did "it" try to hide the facts how life and everything got started? If so, why did do this? Talk about conspiracy theory!  Furthermore, did this power also pump those zillions of gallons of oil deep into the earth only for us to find and wage wars over later... because I think we all know how oil came into being?
As for are there still dinosaurs alive today. Well, I don't think so. By definition dinosaurs died millions of years ago. But there are many living fossils among us, though.
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rapier
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| As regards Mokele, watch the BBC documentary 'Congo' for a more rational explanation of that old pygmy's tale. |
Ah. what was the gist of it? I agree that some sightings can be accounted for by witnessing swimming elephants with their trunks held above the water's surface, or people hearing large beasts crashing into the water can be hippos taking to the river. However the consistency of reports is convincing- the description over 200 years of sightings matches a sauropod, and the reported sound it makes, and footprints found is also consistently agreed upon. i think its entirely likely that a few of these dinosaurs live on in a swamp the size of florida- 80% unexplored no less.
On to the Pterasaur: As I've shown, this winged dinosaur and various similar species of it are depicted and described throughout europe- probably the winged serpent/dragon of old. the monsers of mythology I think are founded in truth- real human interractions with dinosaurs, but exxagerated, and the various characteristics of multiple (real) beasts added to make a mythical beast bearing multiple features.
From the remote river basins and swamps of africa come many relatively recent reports of Pterosaurs-from native peoples as well as western proffesors, zoologists etc- such as this..
" . . .And I looked. Then I let out a shout also and instantly bobbed down under the water, because, coming straight at me only a few feet above the water was a black thing the size of an eagle. I had only a glimpse of its face, yet that was quite sufficient, for its lower jaw hung open and bore a semicircle of pointed white teeth set about their own width apart from each other. When I emerged, it was gone. George was facing the other way blazing off his second barrel. I arrived dripping on my rock and we looked at each other. 'Will it come back?' we chorused. And just before it became too dark to see, it came again, hurtling back down the river, its teeth chattering, the air 'shss-shssing' as it was cleft by the great, black, dracula-like wings. We were both off-guard, my gun was unloaded, and the brute made straight for George. He ducked. The animal soared over him and was at once swallowed up in the night."
Ivan T. Sanderson, 1932
Zoologist, Writer"
http://www.trueauthority.com/cryptozoology/kongamato.htm
here we have Inca pottery, found in burial tombs- they depict dinosaurs.
Triceratops.
Diplodocus.
Art like that above is abundant. There are numerous crafted figurines excavated in South America of creatures that match recent scientific reconstructions of dinosaurs. They are dated at 1000's of years old, showing people interacting with dinosaurs.
Yet those who discovered and researched such artifacts have variously been ignored and suppressed by mainstream scientists. |
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rapier
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| Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:44 am Post subject: Re: A bit off topic. Don't let me hijack this thread. |
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dinosaurs died millions of years ago. . |
An unproven, programmed assumption presented as fact.
The famous Doctor Leakey was involved in covering up evidence that didn't fit his theories. He found dinosaur bones in rock strata that was actually above human and sheep remains: he found a human skull in the same strata as a dinosaur. And so on.
There is far more evidence that dinosaurs and humans coexisted, than against it. It is simply supressed and discredited. researchers have to draw the "right" conclusions in order to get funding for their research: any findings that disagree with the agenda of evolutionists is immediately dismissed and discredited.
The Acambaro dinosaurs
From: http://www.ntskeptics.org/1999/1999october/october1999.htm
By John Blanton
Dinosaurs went missing about 65 million year ago. Or did they?
What if they really didn't. What if dinosaurs were still around as late as 6500 years ago. And if people and dinosaurs lived contemporaneously? That would shoot holes in a lot of modern science. Paleontology would be badly wounded. Evolution would be DOA. So the thinking goes.
If you could find a human fossil in the same stone with a dinosaur fossil you would have some nice ammunition to shoot down evolution. Even better if the fossil showed a dinosaur eating a human. If all you had were something that looked like human footprint alongside dinosaur footprints you might be inclined to shop further. Enter the Acambaro dinosaurs.
A paper titled "Archeological cover-ups" by David Hatcher Childress describes the discovery of the Acambaro dinosaur figurines. 1 In 1944 an accidental discovery of an even more controversial nature was made by Waldemar Julsrud at Acambaro, Mexico. Acambaro is in the state of Guanajuato, 175 miles northwest of Mexico City. The strange archaeological site there yielded over 33,500 objects of ceramic, stone-including jade, and knives of obsidian (sharper than steel and still used today in heart surgery). Julsrud, a prominent local German merchant, also found statues ranging from less than an inch to six feet in length depicting great reptiles, some of them in ACTIVE ASSOCIATION with humans-generally eating them, but in some bizarre statuettes an erotic association was indicated. To observers, many of these creatures resembled dinosaurs. Childress further mentions that radio-carbon dating in the laboratories of the University of Pennsylvania and additional tests using thermoluminescence indicated the objects were made 6500 years ago.
Ica stone, discovered Peru. dated 1-5000 years old.
In Atlantis Rising , David Lewis has explained the implications for modern science. 2 The Acambaro figurines, discovered in the 1940s in Acambaro, Mexico, depict fantastic creatures that resemble dinosaurs, as well as African and European men. If verified as authentic and dated to a time before modern science's discovery of the dinosaurs, the existence of the figurines would dismantle the major presumptions of modern evolutionary theory, and, in fact, much of the scientific and academic establishment. Young-Earth creationist Don Patton discussed the subject of the Acambaro dinosaurs at September's meeting of the Metroplex Institute of Origin Science (MIOS). He has journeyed to Acambaro to view and photograph some of the artifacts, and he agrees with Lewis that this spells doom for evolution. Most of those attending the meeting concurred.
Don was gracious enough to provide me with copies of some of his photos, which we reproduce here. His printed brochure compares one of the figurines with a drawing from Robert Bakker's book Dinosaur Heresies (1986). The figurine so resembles the dinosaurs in Bakker's illustration that the ancient artist must have seen one in the flesh.
Of course, modern science is not going to take this lying down, as both Patton and Childress have pointed out. Childress explains the situation in his report: 3 A team of experts at another university, shown Julsrud's half-dozen samples but unaware of their origin, ruled out the possibility that they could have been modern reproductions.
However, they fell silent when told of their controversial source. In 1952, in an effort to debunk this weird collection which was gaining a certain amount of fame, American archaeologist Charles C. DiPeso claimed to have minutely examined the then 32,000 pieces within not more than four hours spent at the home of Julsrud. In a forthcoming book, long delayed by continuing developments in his investigation, archaeological investigator John H. Tierney, who has lectured on the case for decades, points out that to have done that DiPeso would have had to have inspected 133 pieces per minute steadily for four hours, whereas in actuality, it would have required weeks merely to have separated the massive jumble of exhibits and arranged them properly for a valid evaluation.
Tierney, who collaborated with the later Professor Hapgood, the late William N. Russell, and others in the investigation, charges that the Smithsonian Institution and other archaeological authorities conducted a campaign of disinformation against the discoveries. The Smithsonian had, early in the controversy, dismissed the entire Acambaro collection as an elaborate hoax. Also, utilising the freedom of Information Act, Tierney discovered that practically the entirety of the Smithsonian's Julsrud case files are missing.
After two expeditions to the site in 1955 and 1968, Professor Charles Hapgood, a professor of history and anthropology at the University of New Hampshire, recorded the results of his 18-year investigation of Acambaro in a privately printed book entitled MYSTERY IN ACAMBARO. Hapgood was initially an open-minded skeptic concerning the collection but became a believer after his first visit in 1955, at which time he witnessed some of the figures being excavated and even dictated to the diggers where he wanted them to dig.
Adding to the mind-boggling aspects of this controversy is the fact that the Instituto Nacional de Antropologia e Historia, through the late Director of PreHispanic Monuments, Dr. Eduardo Noguera, (who, as head of an official investigating team at the site, issued a report which Tierney will be publishing), admitted "the apparent scientific legality with which these objects were found." Despite evidence of their own eyes, however, officials declared that because of the objects "fantastic" nature, they had to have been a hoax played on Julsrud!
Jurassic Art?
http://atlantisrising.com/issue11/ar11jurassic.html
http://www.meta-religion.com/Paranormale/Skeptics/the_acambaro_dinosaurs.htm |
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i��ro��ny ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-n, r-)
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SeoulFinn
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I browsed through some of the links posted on this thread. I was especially interested about those Ica stones. I found quite a few sites that mentioned how at least some of the Ica Stones were fakes - the people who made them confessed forging them. But anyway, it was was an interesting read, I'll give you that, even though it didn't convince me that dinos didn't perish millions of years ago.
About the pictures of people and dinosaurs in the Inca art. This is the very 1st time I ever hear about this and I find it difficult to buy. I've seen my share of precolumbian art and they do have mythical beasts (gods, demons, spirits, etc.) in them, but dinos? If these pictures are pictures of dinos, could it be that Incas had found some dinosaur remains and being the artists they were, brought them alive in their art? Maybe they thought that a being with that kind of stature had to be really powerful and awesome creature, maybe even a god?
To sum this all up, I find it really hard to swallow that science would knowingly overlook any concrete proof (i.e. ancient art of dinosaurs and humans, foot prints of them, aliens, etc.) just not to question and scrap existing theories. Imagine what fame you'd make to yourself if you proved to the rest of the world that they were wrong and you were right?
OT: This discussion reminds me of Gavin Menzies and his book 1421: The Year China Discovered America. He made many convincing points in his book, but I don't think his theory got widely approved. I'm still waiting for more proof before I burn my history books, though. His book was interesting to read, I recommend it.
EDIT: Damn typos! 
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