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What's up with Dokdo lately???
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gypsyfish



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cubanlord wrote:
hahahahaha. you kicked it off of the roof? hahahahahahahaha Laughing

Dude....I would have popped the ball, stepped on it....ripped it apart with my teeth....

All of this drama for a piece of rock that bares NO BENEFIT to either party. Rolling Eyes


All that drama for a beach ball?

Actually there's more to the argument than 'a piece of rock.' It's about natural resources.

(redacted from http://www.geocities.com/mlovmo/page4.html)
This conflict between Japan and Korea is not just about the ownership of the two islets. Both countries consider the ownership of Dokdo as an anchor for their respective interests in the surrounding waters. At stake are claims to about 16,600 square nautical miles of sea and seabed, including areas that may hold some 600 million tons of gas hydrate (natural gas condensed into semisolid form). This gas hydrate is believed to be deposited along the broad seabed extending from Dokdo to Guryongpo, North Kyongsang Province. Gas hydrate is a next-generation energy source that could be made into liquid natural gas if adequate technology is made available. The island is surrounded by fertile fishing grounds, and both sides frequently attempt to bolster their claims to it. Also spurring the fishing competition is a fear of dwindling sea resources. Japanese fishing officials say the depletion of fish stocks in other parts of the world means their country must rely more on waters closer to home. The northwestern Pacific in general has more underused fish stocks than other areas, according to the U.N.

So, some benefit to both parties.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"A long-simmering dispute over a group of islets sharply escalated Wednesday, with South Korea dispatching a flotilla of 20 patrol ships toward the territory as the Japanese coast guard sought to conduct an official survey in surrounding waters.

The South Korean action came as Japan rejected a warning from Seoul and vowed to forge ahead with a six-week mapping expedition aimed at bolstering Tokyo��s legal claims to the rocky outcroppings controlled by South Korea. Enraged officials in Seoul strongly suggested they would use force if necessary to prevent two Japan Coast Guard ships that reportedly set sail Wednesday from reaching the islets — known as Dokdo in Korean and Takeshima in Japanese."

here
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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia

PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

quiksilver wrote:
A couple of my students have Dokdo sandals. Honest.
WEll, they couldn't be any worse than those ugly Swiss cheese Crocs.
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doggyji



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines

PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


Way to go, Japan....!!
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
-- and, although I can't speak for the Bolivians (and Peruvians),


I can.
I have travelled in Bolivia.

At one time, I suddenly started seeing posters raging against Chile for stealing their seacoast.
I asked if Bolivia was about to declare war against Chile.
They told me no, this was the anniversary of the war which Bolivia lost to Chile, and this happens every year.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also about territorial waters and fishing rights.....


As others pointed out this type of situation is pretty common the world over. Canada just had a conflict about an island off Greenland with Denmark...that island is barren but it has key territorial waters issues along with access to the northern passage.....ya just have to look a little deeper in these issues.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What does it say on that swimsuit? Dock-do?

http://file.yonhapnews.net/fileattatch/01129/010395001_eng_00.jpg


Last edited by Real Reality on Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:06 pm; edited 3 times in total
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
What does it say on that swimsuit? Dock-do?


http://file.yonhapnews.net/fileattatch/01129/010395001_eng_14.jpg

Models sport swimsuits emblazoned with a sign reading, "Defend Dokdo," at a department store in Seoul on April 27. Dokdo is a group of rocky South Korean islets in the East Sea that are also claimed by Japan.
Yonhap News (April 27, 2006)
http://english.yna.co.kr/Engservices/5500000000.html

Homer, would you like a pair? You want to look like the model in the background, right? Do you have dreams about the model in the background?


...and the Internet Forum gods came down from the heavens and said "That shalt not hotlink" and smote him with the ray charles picture of doom.

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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



Homer wrote:
... this type of situation is pretty common the world over.
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billybrobby



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barking Mad Lord Snapcase wrote:


Homer wrote:
... this type of situation is pretty common the world over.


sadly, the point still stands.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dokdo-defending swimsuits

http://file.yonhapnews.net/fileattatch/01129/010395001_eng_00.jpg
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billybrobby



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah...you see that dude in the background? i guess it must be nice have a smooth flat stomach and an undersized c**k so that you can walk around in public wearing your sister's bikini bottoms.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:47 pm    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

Well, President No's 'quiet dipolmacy' over Dokdo has met a lot of critics. I heard that he is trying to change that policy as we speak.

The Korean government is worried that Japanese interest in Takashima is rising, and that the average citizen will care more and more.

Also, Japan has made a few more attempts to get near the island with ships and submarines.

I tell ya, one step forward, 2 steps back.
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase



Joined: 04 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
Barking Mad Lord Snapcase wrote:


Homer wrote:
... this type of situation is pretty common the world over.


sadly, the point still stands.


I agree that it's common. As you have implied, it's just not the most acceptable kind of "common".
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Soul Forest



Joined: 22 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I visited Japan about this time last year. At that time, Dokdo was big on the news. Funny how this year at around the same time it got hot on the news again. I wonder if it flares up in the spring.
I've been told that the typical Japanese person does not care much about the issue or know much about the issue, but I don't think that's necessarily true.
When I hung out with a Japanese friend, who's around his late 20s, I carelessly said that I thought it looked pretty obvious that Dokdo is Korea's. I then noticed that I really spoiled the atmosphere of the dinner by bringing the politics into it. I felt bad. Then, I talked to a middle-aged Japanese in Tokyo, a hagwon owner, and a karate teacher. Both felt very strongly about the issue, and were quite certain that Korea was in the wrong.
I even went to the area of Japan, Shimane Prefecture, which is laying claim to Dokdo/Takeshima. I went to the city hall where I got some information in Japanese (too difficult for me to read) about their version of the island's history.
The issue is very, very hot, and I don't see it getting resolved unfortunately. It saddens me. It's not a laughing matter. I spent several years in Japan and people were so kind to me, and now here I am in Korea where people treat me rougher, but still have big hearts. I want them to get along.

Koreans read Korean newspapers. Japanese read Japanese newspapers. And I'm not sure what the international community thinks. The Korean actor known in Japan as Yon-sama and much beloved by Japanese old women basically said "no comment" when asked about the issue. He'd lose a fortune if he got involved in the debate.

A utopian idea would be to take disputed islands all around the world and turn them into international environmental protection zones, but that's obviously not going to happen.
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