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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:49 am Post subject: |
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It must be true, there are even ancient songs written about "Magic Dragons" that lived by some large body of water long ago. A local boy played with one of them. It probably was about 700 years ago, as both Royal families and Pirates are mentioned as having to steer clear of the dragons out of fear or respect. The dragons seem to have disappeared quite suddenly, though. It is believed that they are all languashing in hidden caves. The dragons (really dinosaurs, I guess) were deeply saddened over the loss of this human friend. It seems that the dragons have an incredibly long lifespan compared to humans. |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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I would hate to think that Ringo Starr was just yanking my chain...
doubly so given that The Beatles were bigger than Jesus Christ. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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ontheway wrote: |
It must be true, there are even ancient songs written about "Magic Dragons" that lived by some large body of water long ago. A local boy played with one of them. It probably was about 700 years ago, as both Royal families and Pirates are mentioned as having to steer clear of the dragons out of fear or respect. The dragons seem to have disappeared quite suddenly, though. It is believed that they are all languashing in hidden caves. The dragons (really dinosaurs, I guess) were deeply saddened over the loss of this human friend. It seems that the dragons have an incredibly long lifespan compared to humans. |
How do you explain that such stories are found worldwide in every culture, consistently and accurately describing animals we now call dinosaurs? in rock paintings, on pottery, figurines, in the ancient oral tradition of the aborigines...I'll agree that some stories have lost their accuracy over time etc, but taken together, it is clear that this massive body of lore has its roots in real human encounters with dinosaurs.
Seoul Finn: "Proof" is entirely subject to the will of people to accept or believe. You could bring back photos of a living dinosaur, people would say they were fake. There is far more evidence to show dinosaurs and peole co-existed than not. You find it hard to see how scientists willfully ignore evidence- i don't. Their frauds, concealments and alterations of evidence are legion. see: http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4229news3-2-2000.asp
lets just take the following two facts to their logical conclusion:
1) Ancient Pottery dated between 1-5000 years old clearly depicts dinosaurs, portrayed accurately in accordance with modern scientific reconstructions.
Conclusion: People and dinosaurs co-existed as recently as 1000 years ago. (The ability to accurately reconstruct whole animals from fossilised bone fragments wasn't around 1000 years ago).
2) Scientists have recovered blood cells/DNA from a tyrannosaurus excavated in 1990. see http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i4/blood.asp
Scientists agree that DNA cannot survive longer than 10.000 years (never mind 65 million).
Conclusion: Dinosaurs were alive on earth as recently as 10.000 years ago.
The above 2 findings are just some of many. Scientists revise and change their theories every year, confusion reigns, and their fantastical pronouncements continue. If you remove their ridiculous and shifting interpretations, the evidence overwhelmingly points to dinosaurs being around until a few hundred to a few thousand years back. That recent. |
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Location: take a wild guess
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:00 am Post subject: |
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There are many cases of creatures and plants surviving from the age of the dinosaurs into the modern period.
For instance there are the group of pines in Australia in the blue mountains. there is also several fish species that have been around since the time of the dinosaurs. in both of these instances scientists thought that they no longer existed.
also animals such as turtles, crocodiles and sharks have been around since the time of the dinosaurs.
Why couldn't a few of the dinosaurs have also survived?
Also there are many species of animals being discovered. For instance a new kind of goat was found about ten years ago in south east asia. prehaps these stories of dinosaurs and people living at the same time are not so far fetched. |
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:00 am Post subject: |
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rapier wrote: |
Its quite amazing really, the ability of humans to overlook evidence and believe only what they want, discarding whatever doesn't fit into their agenda. |
Indeed it is, indeed it is rapier. And quite disturbing coming from an otherwise intelligent and informed poster like yourself. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:24 am Post subject: |
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Thats a fair assessment ulsanchris. The Coelacanth was supposedly extinct 70 million years ago in the devonian period, and was known only from fossils. Until one was hauled up in 1938. And 30 more since then.
The white rhino, okapi, Giant forest hog and others were only discovered in the 20th century. Large animals that had lived unnoticed for a looong time.
Scientists are constantly having to revise their statements, and evidence constantly undermines their theories.
My main point is that we have been led to believe in evolution for so long, that dinosaurs died 65M years ago, and could not possibly live alongside humans. That evolution had invented them and then wiped them out.That cataclysmic events killed all life..etc and a host of other ridiculous theories. That people evolved millions of years after their dissapearance. Biblical and cultural sources say that dinosaurs and man are capable of co-existing. The bible describes them living in the cities. yep- scavenging trash and living in pools a bit like alligators do in the US now, or polar bears wandering into town dumps looking for food. The Incas depict them as pets or at least interracting with people.
When someone actually manages to properly photograph one seen in a sudden momentary glimpse, and keep his camera dry and serviceable in the 40 degree heat and 90% humidity, his hand not unsteadied by 100 mosquito bites per minute: and paddle back in a canoe the 55000 sq miles of swamp to civilisation with an undeniable image- then the evolutionists will suddenly have to throw out the foundations of their philosophy. I'm sure they'll have no problem pulling something new and equally fantastical out of their hats though. |
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Bronski

Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:30 am Post subject: |
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ulsanchris wrote: |
There are many cases of creatures and plants surviving from the age of the dinosaurs into the modern period.
For instance there are the group of pines in Australia in the blue mountains. there is also several fish species that have been around since the time of the dinosaurs. in both of these instances scientists thought that they no longer existed.
also animals such as turtles, crocodiles and sharks have been around since the time of the dinosaurs.
Why couldn't a few of the dinosaurs have also survived?
Also there are many species of animals being discovered. For instance a new kind of goat was found about ten years ago in south east asia. prehaps these stories of dinosaurs and people living at the same time are not so far fetched. |
Of course some creatures that used to live alongside humans (wooly mammoth, sabertooth tiger, dodo bird) are now extinct, but that that doesn't mean that all the scientific evidence that indicates dinosaurs such as Brontosaurus went extinct millions of years ago is wrong. "Maybe there were dinosaurs because all different cultures had stories of giant monsters and drew pictures of them" doesn't really compare with cold hard science such as carbon-dating, etc. Our culture right now has stories of lake monsters, bigfoot, the boogie man, UFOs etc, but that doesn't mean they exist. |
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Bronski

Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:40 am Post subject: |
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rapier wrote: |
Scientists are constantly having to revise their statements, and evidence constantly undermines their theories. |
So? That doesn't mean people lived alongside dinosaurs.
rapier wrote: |
Biblical and cultural sources say that dinosaurs and man are capable of co-existing. The bible describes them living in the cities. yep- scavenging trash and living in pools a bit like alligators do in the US now, or polar bears wandering into town dumps looking for food. The Incas depict them as pets or at least interracting with people. |
The Bible says a lot of things. Again, do you know the difference between mythology and history?
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When someone actually manages to properly photograph one seen in a sudden momentary glimpse, and keep his camera dry and serviceable in the 40 degree heat and 90% humidity, his hand not unsteadied by 100 mosquito bites per minute: and paddle back in a canoe the 55000 sq miles of swamp to civilisation with an undeniable image- then the evolutionists will suddenly have to throw out the foundations of their philosophy. I'm sure they'll have no problem pulling something new and equally fantastical out of their hats though. |
Yeah, funny that no one can seem to get a picture that isn't either debunked or so blurry that you have to use a lot of imagination to see what is supposedly there. Of course people always have excuses like, "I saw the beast and I took a picture, but I stupidly left the lens cap on." Or, "there was some crud smudged on the lens." Pictures of actual fascinating creatures (but not dinosaurs) in jungles and deep below sea do exist, however, mosquito bites or not. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Bronski wrote: |
Again, do you know the difference between mythology and history? |
I said earlier.. that some legends are obviously composite and exxagerated stories that have become distorted by oral tradition over centuries. Taken cumulatively though, the myths concerning dragons and other mythical beasts from cultures the world overbear striking consistencies and similarities, in descriptions of creatures that are recogniseably dinosaurs.
However, there are many credible accounts over the past 1000 years (Not ancient mythology: I posted them earlier) describing creatures that closely match what we now call dinosaurs. The similarity of descriptions given geographical distance and cultural differences..are certainly noteworthy.
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Yeah, funny that no one can seem to get a picture |
Ever seen a car accident? did you get a picture immediately?How about unexpectedly bumping into a famous movie star in the street. Get a good sharp photo, in that split second? No. You were caught up in the moment. or...Perhaps frozen with fear. ..
What if you were half asleep on a canoe in the middle of a swamp. You awake to see a massive reptilian head staring at you out of the water a few feet away. As you jump in shock at this unexpected sight, it drops out of view below the surface. This is what Ivan T. Sanderson, along with animal-trader Gerald Russel,saw in 1932 when paddling up the Mainyu River in the heart of western Africa :
"The most terrifying sound I have ever heard, which sounded like an on-coming earthquake or an exploding, nearby robot, suddenly greeted us from a large underwater cave."
While the water of the river was boiling and foaming directly in front of their canoe, a darkish, shining lizard-like head suddenly rose from the dark water. They described the head as nearly the size of the head of a fully grown hippo, which sat on a thick, swan-like neck. The enormous neck was turned towards the two men, and for just a few seconds, although it seemed like an eternity, the monster simply stared at Sanderson and Russel. Mr. Sanderson summed up his thoughts with these emphatic words:
"I don't know what we saw, but the animal, the monster, burned itself into my retinas. It looked like something that ought to have been dead millions of years ago. As a scientist, I should have been happy, of course, but this encounter was so frightening, so nasty that I never want to see it again."
Maybe you should ask him why he didn't get a fine resolution photograph?
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Endesu
Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Location: Bucheon
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:11 am Post subject: |
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As a Norwegian, I have to come to Rapiers defence here. We absolutely do have Dinosaurs in Norway, I have seen them several times, although they tend to be relatively tame, so there's no problem with having to fight them off. We have more trouble with the all the damn Swedes lurking around.
Last summer, I worked at the amusement park "Sommarland" back home, and we had a resident dinasour residing in the pond behind the store I worked in. It was a big and green with a long neck, and a part from a few holes in its tail, looked good for its age. You can even see it marked off on the parkmap. http://www.sommarland.no/raw/content/download/345/2612/file/boparkart.pdf
If you look at the bottom right of the map, he is looking out over my customers from behind the store. You can also see the park mamuts depicted between interest points 39 and 25.
So if that's not evidence enough for you, come to Norway and experience it yourself! |
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:22 am Post subject: |
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In New Zealand we have a lizard called the "Tuatara" that is supposed from the time of dinasaurs, and unchanged too!
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