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Has Iraq surpassed 9/11 in terms of US fatalities?
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:25 pm Post subject:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

I had mixed feelings about Afghanistan in 2001 and protested it for a variety of reasons.

Interesting- what protest, where, and when?
"Variety of reasons"?
Is asking you to state a few of them asking too much?

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Canada's resources would be better used in missions that have little or nothing to do with the US, and there are enough serious problems in Africa to consume whatever resources Canada can offer.

So, cooperating with an ally and our largest trading partner should be- as a matter of policy and principle- entirely out of the question, regardless of the issue?
I guess you view the Canadian military as en extension of CIDA, or maybe the Red Cross?
Take our guns and hammer them into ploughshares, that sort of thing?
God forbid we should ever dirty ourselves by using our military as a military, and use it to acheive aims in our national interest?
That would be positively gauche, would it not?

A hypothetical (for the moment) question for you:
There has been some talk recently of the US possibly sending a small military force to secure aid workers and food shipments to Darfur; According to your logic, Canada should boycott any and all aid and assistance to Darfur if the US becomes involved?

Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:40 pm Post subject:

Gopher wrote:

Yu Bum suk: Canada's participation in NATO benefits Canada much more than the U.S. -- it is the same with many other smaller partners like Toronto.

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Toronto probably does not even have the logistical capabilities to get there and stay there, let alone the necessary nonNATO, bilateral transit and/or basing rights...

Gopher, what's up with your hate-on for Toronto?
You know it's not the capital of Canada, right?
But you are right about Canada's logistical capabilities.
However, the govt is looking into buying new heavy lift air transport, so, in about 15-25 years we should have this problem licked. Wink

Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:03 pm Post subject:

Bulsajo wrote:

You know it's not the capital of Canada, right?

Oops.

Last edited by Gopher on Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:33 pm; edited 1 time in total

Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004

Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:45 pm Post subject:

Bulsajo wrote:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

I had mixed feelings about Afghanistan in 2001 and protested it for a variety of reasons.

Interesting- what protest, where, and when?
"Variety of reasons"?
Is asking you to state a few of them asking too much?

Several at St Louis University, Washington University in St Louis, and Forrest Park, St Louis in September to November of 2001. One reason was that the US, in my opinion, had not exhusted all options. Another was that it was obvious they were not preparing the logistical and humanitarian resources necessary to do such a job. Yet another was because at that time I actually had some hope for America, where at the time I thought I may be residing for the rest of my life, and I didn't want it bogged down in such a mess (now I don't really care about what happens to the US as a result of its own poor decisions anymore).

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Canada's resources would be better used in missions that have little or nothing to do with the US, and there are enough serious problems in Africa to consume whatever resources Canada can offer.

Cooperating with trade is one thing; sending military support to what's basically a US mission is another entirely. If the resources sent to the US mission in Afghanistan had been used to help the victims of Katrina I'd have been very happy indeed.

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A hypothetical (for the moment) question for you:
There has been some talk recently of the US possibly sending a small military force to secure aid workers and food shipments to Darfur; According to your logic, Canada should boycott any and all aid and assistance to Darfur if the US becomes involved?

Why not let the US and UK handle Afghanistan and let Canada, Germany, and France handle Darfur?[/quote]

Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:55 pm Post subject:

While I disagree with it, that's a fairly reasoned and resonable response to my post- and so I regret my earlier sarcasm.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 12:37 am Post subject:

BS wrote

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...and give up control of their oil to an adequate extent

The US isn't there to control their oil

They can do with their oil as they like. If they don't want to sell it to the US it is something that the US will have to accept - however mideast regimes and elties and media don't have a right to teach hate , incite violence , fund AlQaida . or , plan terror.

THEY DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO THEIR WAR.

All they have to do is give up their war.

If they don't want to give up their war - then they US is justified in doing anything and everything to force them to.

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and a few give up their homes and land to Israel.

??

Saudi Arabians and , the Bathists, Iran have homes in Israel?

Saddam Hussein's object was to conquer the entire mideast.

Khomeni's object was to conquer the entire mideast or even the entire muslim world.

Al Qaeda seeks gain a caliphate where those of other religions are expelled , made into slaves or killed out right.

Not to mention that Yasser Arafat turned down Bill Clintons offer where the Palestinian side would have gotten 95% of the West Bank , all of Gaza and holy sites and 30 Billon dollars compensation.

Why was it turned down?

Not to mention that Israel's enemies have persecuted their minorities which is the reason that there are almost no arab jews left in Arab nations. They don't enjoy the moral high ground.

Bathists , Khomeni lovers and Bin Laden followers are all fascists, what they want is illegtimate and sinister .

What do they do when they win?" Gas the Kurds or kill 30,000 with a Khomeni fatwa or fight for a fascist caliphate.

The contrast could not be more clear.

Shame on their apologists in the west.

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Rather imperialistic.

Rather apologetic - for the Bathists , Khomeni lovers and Bin Laden supporters. You are not anti war at all. In fact you seem to support their war.

Eunoia

Joined: 06 Jul 2003
Location: In a seedy karakoe bar by the banks of the mighty Bosphorus

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:36 am Post subject:

I am now convinced that our beloved JRGR CANNOT be for real. He's just been pulling our chain for lo these many years. Nobody - NOBODY - can be this obtuse and still function in society. Congrats, Joo, you really had us going. Greatest hoax in internet history if you ask me!

Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject:

Eunoia wrote:

I am now convinced that our beloved JRGR CANNOT be for real. He's just been pulling our chain for lo these many years. Nobody - NOBODY - can be this obtuse and still function in society.

Congrats, Joo, you really had us going. Greatest hoax in internet history if you ask me!

If so at least it's not a very difficult part to memorise.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:15 pm Post subject:

Eunoia wrote:

Really what makes you think so?

won't get an answer I bet.

Oh well you have always been an angry radical

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:17 pm Post subject:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

Eunoia wrote:

If so at least it's not a very difficult part to memorise.

You are an angry radical too. I am just glad that you decided not to come to the US. Not that you ought to have been allowed to enter. I mean it ought not be so easy for radicals to enter.

Immigrants welecome but radicals stay the FK out

mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:49 pm Post subject:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

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If Kuwait grew carrots, we wouldn't give a damn."
-Lawrence Korb, assistant defense secretary under Reagan

True. Adding Kuwait's oil to Iraq's oil woud put have allowed Saddam to have just about as much oil as Saudi Arabia.

But one reason for that is that if Saddam had Kuwait's oil not only would he had power over the US economy but also he would have been able to had a lot more money to purchase weapons.

With Kuwaiti oil you would have probably seen an even more assertive , and aggressive Iraq.

Just a few numbers to explain this further:
Saudi Arabia: 25%
Iraq: 11%
Kuwait: 9%
UAE: 9%
Iran: 9%
Russia: 5%

(that's total oil reserves)

Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject:

mithridates wrote:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

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If Kuwait grew carrots, we wouldn't give a damn."
-Lawrence Korb, assistant defense secretary under Reagan

Just a few numbers to explain this further:
Saudi Arabia: 25%
Iraq: 11%
Kuwait: 9%
UAE: 9%
Iran: 9%
Russia: 5%

(that's total oil reserves)

Let's not forget that Desert Shield's objective -- and this was Desert Storm's predecessor -- was to mass U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia, at that govt's request, to deter Saddam from moving against them, too.

Desert Storm later moved to remove Saddam from Kuwait and restore that status quo ante -- and, it was hoped, create the conditions that might lead to Saddam's overthrow at home.

In any case, he was making a power play in the Middle East.

Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

Eunoia wrote:

If so at least it's not a very difficult part to memorise.

I did decide to come to the US. I just decided to leave. I'm not angry; I'm just cynical and derisive.

Now if you are for real, and not some fellow leftie's sock having a blast making imperialists look stupid, would you please do me a favour and write your congressman and senator, asking them to send more troops to Iraq?

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 5:06 am Post subject:

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I did decide to come to the US. I just decided to leave. I'm not angry; I'm just cynical and derisive.

I am glad you left, You probably ought not have been allowed in the first place.

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just cynical and derisive

No you are not you are not cynical of what the Bathists , Khomeni lovers and Bin Laden followers do. Indeed you seem to support them.

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Now if you are for real, and not some fellow leftie's sock having a blast making imperialists look stupid, would you please do me a favour and write your congressman and senator, asking them to send more troops to Iraq?

Nah just move US forces in Iraq to the Kurdish areas.

As I said you are not cynical of the Bathists, Khomeni lovers and the Bin Laden followers indeed you seem to be more a less a supporter of them.

bucheon bum

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 10:48 am Post subject:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

Several at St Louis University, Washington University in St Louis, and Forrest Park, St Louis in September to November of 2001.

Some smart mofos at that WU place. Wink

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