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U.S. Drama Sets Negative Stereotype of Korean Men
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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:01 pm    Post subject: U.S. Drama Sets Negative Stereotype of Korean Men Reply with quote

"I don't know what it's like where you live in Iraq, but where I live in the United States, Koreans hate black people." This is a line from the popular ABC drama"

"As this is a drama seen by many Americans, I wish the Koreans could have been good characters. [Jin's] personality is so exaggerated that one has to wonder if such a Korean man actually exists." Laughing Laughing Laughing

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200412/200412050015.html
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a pretty old story. December 2004.

Yes. At that time the Jin character was ajeossi-gone-wild but since then he has redeemed himself many times and is now one of the most respected characters in the show. He catches most of the fish and is always up for any tough-stuff in support of the other castaways.

Recently, he even accepted that his wife was pregnant even though he knew he was shooting blanks. He took her word she hadn't been with another man. He's a changed man.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. Drama Sets Negative Stereotype of Korean Men Reply with quote

I have two black friends in Korea. This weekend, I saw a Korean guy come up to one of them and ask if he could have his picture taken with her. Last week I saw three schoolgirls come over to my other black friend and ask him if they could each have their pictures taken with him.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How dare Korea be a more complex place than the stereotype suggests? I want my world simple and clear cut.
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's actually a fairly accurate portrayal of how Korean men past the age of thirty behave.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
How dare Korea be a more complex place than the stereotype suggests? I want my world simple and clear cut.


But don't they value their homogeneity, everyone being the same, working towards the common goal, suspicious of the nail that sticks out, etc?
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doggyji



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines

PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think at least it's not that some Koreans in the States 'hate blacks' from nowhere. From what I've heard, it seems easy to learn to 'hate blacks' when you own a convenience store(a very vulnerable target) in certain places. Also, they say while some black people's racism towards Koreans(or other Asians) is well alive, why always Koreans are the focus in the racism issue? Who victimize who? Of course, I'm not saying it's any smart to lump the whole people sharing the same skin colour into a group to hate. I think when they say "I hate blacks," it usually wouldn't mean they literally hate every single black-skined person on the street they encounter. Chances are they will greet and smile if they meet a nice person no matter what race s/he is. The reality's probably more like they would become more cautious and suspicious in a specific situation with a specific type of black people(young males mostly) than with others from a probability-based sense (for your own safety and life...) I just wonder why those gun fights are almost exclusively by blacks in Toronto. A coincidence? Maybe I��m not being so politically correct. Then can someone truly enlighten me on this issue?
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But don't they value their homogeneity, everyone being the same, working towards the common goal, suspicious of the nail that sticks out, etc?


Some do. Some don't.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
That's a pretty old story. December 2004.

Yes. At that time the Jin character was ajeossi-gone-wild but since then he has redeemed himself many times and is now one of the most respected characters in the show. He catches most of the fish and is always up for any tough-stuff in support of the other castaways.

Recently, he even accepted that his wife was pregnant even though he knew he was shooting blanks. He took her word she hadn't been with another man. He's a changed man.


If you have been watching the new eps, the island has a healing power...if it could heal others, why not Jin.

On the note of the OP topic: I totally think the stereotype fits a hell of a lot of Korean guys.

On an off-topic sidenote, this season it finally dawned on me why Jin is always fishing - he grew up in a fishing village. Amazing I never connected the two...guess it shows how much I care about his character.
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Satori



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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I question the idea that tv and movies are obliged to portray races or any types in positive ways or any kind of ways. It's art, and it should be free to do as it pleases.
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Hyalucent



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: British North America

PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might be a stereotype as far as perceptions around here go, but it's not the Hollywood Asian/Korean stereotype. If it was, he'd be a mathematician or a scientist, who practises martial arts in his spare time and honours his ancestors with mystical herbs and spices.

Whoever wrote the character has definitely spent a lot of time around Koreans and I was really surprised in the early episodes to see a character that could have walked right off the streets of Kyungsangnam-do and onto the screen.

Getting angry at his wife for speaking to foreigners, even though she was the only one of the pair that spoke English was hillarious, and I guarantee that "Lost" wasn't the only place I've seen that attitude. But I agree with the character development; he's one of my favourite characters now.
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Ron Stevens



Joined: 10 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satori wrote:
I question the idea that tv and movies are obliged to portray races or any types in positive ways or any kind of ways. It's art, and it should be free to do as it pleases.


it really depends on your expectations of art: these kind of mainstream dramas are reflective of and pander to the prevailing sterotypes that are out there

tv doesn't so much do as it pleases but stks closely to the expectations of advertisers and the people that own and run the networks. frequently then the obligation is to run these kind of negative portraits - it's good for business

generally when it's comes to art my own expectations are a bit beyond this - that i feel is the function and value of art

Ronald Stevens
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Quote:
But don't they value their homogeneity, everyone being the same, working towards the common goal, suspicious of the nail that sticks out, etc?


Some do. Some don't.


lol
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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my Korean class in America I was the only whitey so it was my first chance to really hang out with gyopos. They complained quite bitterly -- and unprompted -- about the racism of their parents' generation. Of course, that was just a handful of people so I don't have any deep insights.
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antoniothegreat



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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i really dont care if they complain about stereo-types. most of the koreans i talk to think that all americans eat only cheeseburgers and pizza for every meal every day. they really dont do much to educate themselves about the world around them.

i dont watch a lot of korean tv, if someone does, please tell me, but i wonder how they portray westerners in their shows.
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