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canuckistan
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I read on MSN that the whole concept is backfiring on them, and a lot of people seeing these speeches and rallies on TV are joining the minutemen group in response. What used to look like other people's problems is suddenly a lot closer to home for many Americans.
These illegals aren't even smart enough to realise that the company's they're boycotting are the idiots trying to get them the right to stay! |
Yeah it seems like a bad move.
But this from Bush makes my blood boil:
http://www.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/2006/04/28/anthem-spanish-bush.html
No singing the national anthem in Spanish? WTF? Did freedom of speech just go out the window? Some British music producer does a version in Spanish and this warrants a second of the precious grey matter of the "shouldn't I be keeping America safe" president? |
Looks like he's a 2-faced dork when shilling for votes:
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash7.htm
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"When visiting cities like Chicago, Milwaukee, or Philadelphia, in pivotal states, George W. Bush would drop in at Hispanic festivals and parties, sometimes joining in singing �The Star-Spangled Banner� in Spanish, sometimes partying with a �Viva Bush� mariachi band flown in from Texas."
So writes author Kevin Phillips in his book AMERICAN DYNASTY.
Last week, at the height of the illegal immigrant's boycott build up, Bush told reporters: "I think the national anthem ought to be sung in English."
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I can understand why Hispanics are upset...it seems like the gov't has declared war on them at home...there were so many already here before the US annexed the areas of California, New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado etc. |
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Gopher
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LARRY KING: Bill Richardson -- hold on. Let Bill say something. Governor Richardson, where are you in all of this?
GOVERNOR BILL RICHARDSON (D), NEW MEXICO: Well, I have to live with this issue every day. I'm a border governor. Six months ago I declared a border emergency because of violence, because of drugs, illegal workers coming in so I experience this every day.
You got to do four things; one, dramatically tighten border security, more border patrol agents, more equipment, dramatically more detection efforts. Secondly, you have got to penalize employers that knowingly hire illegal workers and we're not doing it, the laws being enforced.
Third, we have to have a new relationship with Mexico. Mexico needs to step up and do something, joint border efforts on smuggling, on a number of other issues relating to job creation at the border.
And then lastly, you have to be realistic. We've got 11 or 12 million undocumented workers. What we need is to set up an earned legalization plan based on good behavior.
What are you going to do? Are you going to deport 11 million people? You can't do that. So, you set some standards of good behavior, not amnesty, but citizenship after a certain number of years, based on learning English, paying back taxes, a background check. The frustration is spilling out into the streets on this issue. |
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0605/01/lkl.01.html
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Ya-ta Boy
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This, by the way, is the position of Colonel Al Rodriguez and several other leading Mexican-American immigrants who went public Monday, voiced their position that "you don't speak for me," and denounced the illegals' claims and methods, including the Mexican and Che Guevara flags and other radical imagery that we saw in parts of the L.A. demonstrations.
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I wonder how long the moderates have been saying this without it getting reported. It's fair to question the agenda of the media sources who only report the most radical statements. |
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bolesic1
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Gopher, you hit the nail on the head. Ya-ta boy, I don't think the major media outlets give a crap what it means to have a "porous border". One major problem with such an idea is that you have absolutely NO CLUE who's coming into the country. It could be a terrorist from anywhere in the world. All the money spent on airport security would be worthless if they can just fly into Mexico and stroll across the border.
Also, I read an interesting article on Fox News talking about what these protests say to all the LEGAL immigrants. If the U.S. rewards the illegals, we are basically telling the legal immigrants there are two standards. Sorry you got shafted and had to actually work and register legally.
I have no problem with immigrants. I love other cultures and I think other people should have the opportunity to experience the US. But there is a legal process for doing that. If you are aiming to gain citizenship in a nation governed by LAW, the way to do it is not to smuggle yourself in ILLEGALLY and then talk about overthrowing the status quo and reclaiming California, Texas, and New Mexico. Those are the talkings of radical lunatics, and their "free speech" isn't protected by the US Constitution because they aren't citizens UNDER the US Constitution. They skipped that step.
The vast majority of US people (whom CNN and other extreme liberal media outlets no longer represent) will not stand for it. They won't allow what is happening in France to happen in the US. I don't know a single one of my friends from back home in Ohio, even the MOST liberal ones, who will stand there and watch millions of unregistered immigrants flood into their country and then demand that it change to accomodate them. The idea that they will stop the economy is absurd. The real power in a society like the US is in voting, and so far at least (though California will certainly try to mess everything up!), illegal immigrants can't vote.
The US already has an identity... it is not a Latin American identity. US citizens are willing to allow people to come in through prescribed routes with background checks who are willing to speak the UNofficial language of English and positively contribute to the already established culture. They are not willing to be FORCED to accept and bow down to people who aren't even citizens of the country!
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Gopher
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On the other hand
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| several Brazilian students just returned to San Diego after a long weekend in L.A. to report that they were very disappointed to find that it was just a normal, boring city to them -- that is, without high-speed chases or gun battles in the streets, etc. |
Yeah, that's ONE misperception you can't blame on anti-American leftists overseas. Hollywood bears full responsibility for that one. |
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On the other hand
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and denounced the illegals' claims and methods, including the Mexican and Che Guevara flags and other radical imagery that we saw in parts of the L.A. demonstrations.
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It's funny that someone waving around a Che Guevera flag would be seen as "radical". I personally regard the Che cult as being the most laughable form of suburban pseudo-edginess. |
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Summer Wine
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| I personally regard the Che cult as being the most laughable form of suburban pseudo-edginess. |
Unless you were the descendent of one who died because of him or lived through that time.
Don't ignore the actions of the past. They were terrible in their own time and would still be terrible if viewed through our lenses.
I don't find supporters of Che to be funny, its like waving a flag of Nazism in some places. Its not humorous. |
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On the other hand
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| I don't find supporters of Che to be funny, its like waving a flag of Nazism in some places. Its not humorous. |
Sure. And someone who was tortured by the KCIA circa 1973 might go into a conniption when they log onto Dave's and see some ESLer praising Park Chung Hee. But oh well. I still don't think I'd compare the pro vs. anti-Park thread we had a few years back to neo-nazism. |
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Gopher
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| I personally regard the Che cult as being the most laughable form of suburban pseudo-edginess. |
Unless you were the descendent of one who died because of him or lived through that time.
Don't ignore the actions of the past. They were terrible in their own time and would still be terrible if viewed through our lenses.
I don't find supporters of Che to be funny, its like waving a flag of Nazism in some places. Its not humorous. |
While I wouldn't say I am a supporter of his, I have to say he was an impressive individual. If more people were that dedicated to what they believed in, a lot more could get done.
On the other hand, if people were as stubborn and stuck to their beliefs as much as he did, then there would be a lot more conflict.
I suppose I contradicted myself there. I guess what I'm trying to say is the man did have some admirable traits, but also had some deep flaws. In other words, he was quite human. |
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Gopher
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cerulean808
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Gopher
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| The real power in a society like the US is in voting |
No, the real power in a society like the US is in wealth, illustrated by the continuous sleaze and financial scandals amongst its elite.
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| Theirs are the politics of pure emotion, at times apparently devoid of reason. |
Is this suppose to be in contrast with US politics as the epitome of reason in action? Your child like one sidedness is bemusing Gopher. |
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bucheon bum
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No, the real power in a society like the US is in wealth, illustrated by the continuous sleaze and financial scandals amongst its elite.
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and what society has "real power" lie elsewhere??
Sleaze and scandals are human follies, not strictly the monied elite of the US. |
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