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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Satori wrote: |
| Strength in the drums? John Bohnam was widely ackowledged by peers and the industry as the best rock drummer that ever lived, and I agree. Listen to the track *Moby *beep** and tell me otherwise. His drums are the most huge sounding ever recorded, and consequently some of the most sampled drums by electronic and hip hop artists, behind James Brown of course. |
Bonham could probably be credited with setting the stage for future rock rhythms. That's probably what it means to call him the greatest "rock" drummer. His beats have rock n roll written all over them, but a lof times are still a bit boring for me. Sure, he had some good ones, of course, but there are some drummers out there I've found who have consistently complex drum beats, such as Carl Palmer of ELP, Nick Hexen of 311, Tim Alexander of Primus... But again, they are more of fusion (rock funk) or experimental drummers, whereas Bonham was rock n roll.
Btw, where did you get your stats on sampling frequency of different drummers? I'm interested to see who are the other most sampled drummers. |
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Satori
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| Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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See, those groups you mention all sound appalling to me, and not one of them wrote a memorable rock classic. They are not worthy to eat the crumb off Zeps table. It`s easy to lay down complex drums in experimental or fusion based music. Zep wrote SONGS, and the art of the rock drummer is support the song. It takes a lot more subtlety and sophistication to get your classy licks in and still stay out of the way of the singer. But Bonhams fills were original and brilliant. And his grooves were outstanding. And he could wank off with the best of them, but he correctly saved that for his live drum showcase Mody D i c k ...
My stats on sampling are anecdotal, from listening, and quite probably wrong. I know he was sampled a lot, but maybe not as much I stated. I do know James Browns group is the number one sampled group by hip hop and other electronic dance acts. |
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Qinella
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| Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
| See, those groups you mention all sound appalling to me, and not one of them wrote a memorable rock classic. |
I was talking about drumming styles I personally prefer. Often when listening to Zeppelin, I get bored with the drums. It's okay to have different musical preferences, Satori. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| It is indeed ok. The point I am making is that when your band is writing real songs there is less room to do showy drumming, and that it is easy to do showy drumming in fusion tracks. And that Bonhams drumming was perfect for what Zep were doing. I personally appreciate a drummer "makes his band sound better", rather than drawing attention to himself, except at rare and choice moments. And of course it all comes down to opinion. However, rock critics do seem to agree about Bonham, and most have him pegged as the greatest rock drummer or at least top 5 ever, while Ive never seen mention of those other drummers in greatest drummer articles in Rolling Stone or other big music mags. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
| It is indeed ok. The point I am making is that when your band is writing real songs there is less room to do showy drumming, and that it is easy to do showy drumming in fusion tracks. And that Bonhams drumming was perfect for what Zep were doing. I personally appreciate a drummer "makes his band sound better", rather than drawing attention to himself, except at rare and choice moments. |
Yeah I can't argue with you about that. I made the same explanation about bass on the first page. Perhaps because I play bass, it's easier for me to identify with the instrument's purpose in various settings. I don't know, though.. I still always felt like there was room in a lot of Zep songs for more creative drumming that wouldn't necessearily draw attention away from the point of the music. But then again, some of the features I look for in drumming were possibly not even around back then. |
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Satori
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| Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Just have a good listen to "Moby D i c k" and get back to me on Bonhams drumming chops then! |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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With Bonham , as with many musicians considered borderline-great, you might consider what effect excessive alcohol and drug intake had on his performances. His name appears on a long Wikipedia list of drug-related deaths among celebrities:
John Bonham (32) - musician Led Zeppelin, inhalation of own vomit; believed to be alcohol-related
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drug-related_deaths[/img] |
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Qinella
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| Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
| Just have a good listen to "Moby D i c k" and get back to me on Bonhams drumming chops then! |
I'll see your Di ck and raise you a Tarkus!  |
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Moldy Rutabaga
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| Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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And I'll raise you a "The Real Me" by the Who. Let's see Britney Spears program this on a drum machine!
Ken:> |
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jacktar
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 5:02 am Post subject: |
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| There's some sweet azz bass druming in Good Times, Bad Times too. Bonzo was great for sure. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| When Clapton left the Yardbirds, he recommended Jimmy Page as his replacement. Page declined and recommended Jeff Beck. When Beck left, Page stepped in. I don't agree that Page "ripped off" the other two. Rather, they shared in common a love of R&B. |
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cruisemonkey
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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'Zeppelin, The Who, the 'Stones... they all 'rocked'.  |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
And I'll raise you a "The Real Me" by the Who.
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That's the one, and that's the man- Keith Moon.
But that song rocked as much because of Entwhistle's bass, IMO.
(Doctor Jimmy- that's where Keith really pulls the rug out from under the others)
But sure, Zeppelin rocked. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, who needs expensive imports? If thar was one thing I learnt livin' in Florida it'd be this - SOUTHERN ROCK RULES! Bring on Lynyrd Skynyrd, Allman Bros., Black Oak Arkansas, Charley (and Jack?) Daniels - and add some Neil Young and Johnny (and Edgar) Winters to the mix...  |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
| Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
And I'll raise you a "The Real Me" by the Who.
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That's the one, and that's the man- Keith Moon.
But that song rocked as much because of Entwhistle's bass, IMO.
(Doctor Jimmy- that's where Keith really pulls the rug out from under the others)
But sure, Zeppelin rocked. |
I'm another Keith Moon nut. The drummer that the Muppets based 'Animal' on must be good!!
But seriously, the Quadrophenia album changed my life and I still believe that the best ever recorded studio drumming is on that album. Moon's cymbal work is definitely the best in Rock. |
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