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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Korea might have been like any number of socialist countries you find around the world today, like Sweden, Germany, Australia, Canada etc. There isn't much difference between these countries' systems and communism |
It's true. The absence of concentration camps, purges, show trials and gulags are relatively minor details that shouldn't bother anyone. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 1:52 am Post subject: |
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| Korea might have been like any number of socialist countries you find around the world today, like Sweden, Germany, Australia, Canada etc. There isn't much difference between these countries' systems and communism |
It's true. The absence of concentration camps, purges, show trials and gulags are relatively minor details that shouldn't bother anyone. |
South Korea has had its share of concentration camps and purges. Samchung isn't just a hardcore band.
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| Lenin killed millions? You had better check your history books son. |
OK, I stand corrected. He killed thousands. Anyway, change Lenin to Pol Pot and that statement is still true. |
Change Lenin to OJ and thousands to his wife, and that statement is still true. |
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patchy
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| But these countries: Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Canada don't have nukes aimed at them, they're not threatened with sanctions continuously if 'they don't become more capitalist' |
They're also multi-party democracies that allow their citizens basic human freedoms, and which do not maintain a huge network of gulags, in which hundreds of thousands have died. But continue with your absurd comparisons. |
But they were never threatened. North Korea was under threat continuously. How do you know North/South Korea wouldn't have become a democratic country like those countries if it hadn't been under threat? As I have said, when a country is under threat, things start to go bad, freedoms are repressed. You can see it happen in the USA right now, although in this case the 'threat' is mostly made up, to suit certain political interests. Magnify the threat by 1,000,000x and then what kind of repressions do you end up with?
Nobody set up an occupation in Sweden or Australia after the war ended. After the Japanese left, the US moved in straight afterwards to suppress the freedoms in Korea and mold the country to its own ends. The North Koreans resisted that and that was the start of the conflict with the Americans.
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| The growing force vacuum was also wrecking havoc in the South. On August 18, 1945in Seoul, a pro-Japanese terrorist attacked Yo Ung Yong, nearly beating him to death. The US military ordered the the Japanese to regain control of S. Korea from the People's Republic of Korea and turned against Yo, in spite of their agreement made earlier. The Japanese thought that Yo would be a puppet at their bidding, but instead Yo's government had attracted anti-Japanese elements and worked against the colonial forces. The Japanese were out to ruin the Korean economy. They destroyed war supplies and printed some three billion yen in currency; handed out money and weapons to pro-Japanese collaborators. They had imported the poisonous mamushi snake, similar to American copperhead, to be encountered by American forces, and endured to this day by Koreans. Worst of all, the Japanese fed misinformation to the Americans in order to turn them against Yo's Republic. |
Look how the Americans behaved in South Korea, look at their attitudes to the Koreans:
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... The Korean people shall remember Hodge and MacArthur as the worst enemies of Korea in the 20th Century.
Lt. Gen. John H. Hodge, the US warlord of South Korea, the three-star racist from Missouri, told his troops that Korea �is an enemy of the United States, (and therefore) subject to the provisions and terms of surrender�..... How that contrasted with the Soviet declaration of independence and freedom of the people in North Korea! Hodge even decided to retain the Japanese administration including the Japanese police. The Japanese were given a free hand to hunt communists.
John H. Hodge had not the slightest idea of what he was supposed to do in Korea. Hodge stated that because so many Koreans had fought with the Japanese Army that �Koreans are breeds of the same cats as the Japanese� and that he intended to treat Koreans as conquered enemies. With MacArthur's concurrence, Hodge allowed the Japanese police to continue their work as if nothing had changed. Koreans were stunned by Hodge's regarding them as defeated enemies! Happily, from Washington, Gen. George Marshall countermanded MacArthur and ordered Hodge to shut his mouth and disband the Japanese police immediately. In spite of Hodge's low esteem of the Korean people, he stayed on for three years as the Lord of Korea.
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History records that on September 4, 1945, an American advance party of eight officers and ten GI's landed at Kimpo Airport to establish liaison with the Japanese. Gen. Toshimaro Sugai put up the Americans at the Chosen Hotel where the Japanese hosts threw bawdy geisha parties for the Americans. The Americans refused to see a delegation of Koreans. But the Koreans were busy. On September 6, 1945, representatives from the People's Committees from all corners of Korea met in Seoul and proclaimed the Korean People's Republic KPR � The Chosun In Min Kong Wha Guk. The KPR cabinet included Syngman Rhee, chairman; Yo Ung Young, vice chairman; Ho Hon, prime minister; Kim Gu, interior; Kim Pyong No, justice; Kim Kyu Sik, foreign; Ha Pil Won, economics; Cho Man Sik, finance; Shin Ik Hui, communications; Kim Il Sung, defense; and Kim Song Su, education.
On September 9, 1945 in Seoul, Hodge accepted the surrender of the Japanese forces south of the 38th parallel. Hodge set up the US Military Government in Korea (USMGIK). In an act no less sweeping than the Romans salting the fields of Jewish farmers, Hodge retained the Korean traitors who had served under the Japanese and let them run the USMGIK bureaucracy and the police. The South Korean Kyong Chal (police) retained the Japanese police uniforms and the name Gei-Sia-Tzu. The new cops looked and acted just like the Japanese cops, indeed, many of them were former Jap police! This move caused instant anger at the Americans; why were they keeping these traitors in the national police? One of the Jap lovers, Park Jung Hee, later became South Korea's dictator. Thus began the anti-American sentiment in Korea, both South and North. |
The Americans ordered the assassination of Yo Un Hyong and got rid of the government, and put in place their puppet, Rhee Syngman.
More information here:
http://www.kimsoft.com/2001/abook08.htm
The history of the latter half of the 20th century has been about socialist/communist countries fighting the US and imperialist forces that have set out to destroy them. It is notable that these countries are mostly countries that consist of colored (non-white or non-Anglo (Slavic)) people. Countries like Sweden etc even though they are socialist countries have not been targeted.
A Nazi guy saved the lives of thousands of Chinese people during the Nanjing Massacre (he is like the Chinese's Schindler):
http://www.irischang.net/press_article.cfm?n=6
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Rabe, a bald, bespectacled and mild-mannered German, worked for the Siemens China Company and kept a diary that Chang, the author of a book about the Chinese missile industry, ''Thread of the Silkworm,'' unearthed while researching ''The Rape of Nanking.'' Rabe wrote: ''I want to make sure with my own eyes about this cruelty, so I can someday tell others about it as a witness.'' The day Japanese troops entered the city, he described the scene as one he would have ''scarcely believed if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes.''
With his swastika armband as his only protection, Rabe began making regular patrols of the city in an attempt to protect Chinese from Japanese predations. But perhaps his most important effort was his work in setting up the safety zone, a special area into which a quarter of a million desperate Chinese ultimately fled and were watched over by a small handful of heroic Westerners. As one of Rabe's Nanjing colleagues, the Harvard-trained surgeon Robert O. Wilson, wrote of Rabe, ''What a splendid man he is and what tremendous heart he has.'' However, Wilson hastily added, ''It is hard to reconcile his personality with his adulation for Der Fuhrer.'' Nonetheless, for his heroic efforts, Rabe earned the name ''the living Buddha of Nanking.'' |
RACETRAITOR, I didn't bring this discussion to communists or North Korea, but others introduced these subjects and also Mohammed to the thread, in trying to make a comparison with these regimes/figures and Nazism. |
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patchy
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 3:56 am Post subject: |
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| South Korea has had its share of concentration camps and purges. |
Ummm...my point, however, was that Sweden, while socialist, is not comparable to the Soviet Union or China. I'm not just quibbling: sky-high tax rates in Sweden are just not in the same league of repression as midnight visits from the KGB. It's intellectually dishonest to say they are. It's naive as hell to believe they are. |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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OP, I was able to get you a pic of the place near Busan Information College. Interesting to note that the name is in Korean. Nice little pic of the officer with the boy's head in his hands probably saying, "My, what nice blond hair and blue eyes you have!"
When I'm downtown another time, I'll try and set you up with a couple of that Ditler place. It has lots more paraphernalia...changed the name but kept all the offensive stuff on display outside. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 6:04 am Post subject: |
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patchy,
I respect you in that you've obviously done your research, and I do agree that American foreign policy has been hypocritical over the past two centurues.
However....
How can you say the you support the North Koreans choice to govern it's own way, while at the same time supporting the idea of freedom of speech?
(thanks for the heads-up on the typo - i'm a little tired right now)
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 6:20 am Post subject: |
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...I do agree that the Americans foreign is hypocritical.
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Say again? |
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