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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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The Aztecs and postClassic Maya were sacrificing humans when the Spanish arrived, sprinking blood over their food and other offerings, and this includes sacrificing, flaying, and eating Spanish captives and horses. They did this on top of the pyramids, with five priests, one to hold down each of the victim's arms and legs, and the fifth to open up his/her chest with an obsidian knife, offer the still-beating heart to Huitzilopochtli, and then cast the body down the back side of the pyramid. Some credible reports claim they sacrificed as many as 250,000 people in a single day this way, to gain favor with their gods.
But not the Incas.
If you're interested in exploring this behavior and what it might have meant to the people who did it, see Inga Clendinnen's Aztecs: An Interpretation. She's an Australian ethnohistorian, and one of the best in her field. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| The Inca were more into filling the victim up on coca and letting him/her freeze to death on top of some Ande. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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"Cowboys Call For Immigration Compromise"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060506/ap_on_re_us/cowboys_for_compromise
This was on Yahoo News this morning. I liked it because it has a lot of comments from ranchers living right on the border, and it isn't a molotov-co*ktail-throwing rant.
I thought this was good:
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| "Show me a 50-foot wall," he says, "and I'll show you a 55-foot ladder." |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Ruth Evelyn Cowan wrote: |
Others, like rancher Ruth Evelyn Cowan, are skeptical the government could come up with a functioning worker system. Cowan sold half her cattle herd and moved full-time back to Phoenix last year after getting fed up with the immigration traffic and trash.
"I would like for the Mexican government to take care of their people and I would like the Mexican people to demonstrate against their own country," she says. "We have laws on the books. Enforce 'em. The end." |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 8:17 am Post subject: ... |
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| I am trained as a Latin American area specialist, and am completing a doctorate in this field. I think your and Nowhere Man's confusion stems from misunderstanding: some people who study particular regions "go native" while many of us do not. I did not. And you're screaming "heresy" because I haven't and won't pick up Che Guevara's banner but rather I adopt a perspicatious and critical attitude of the region. |
And here you are pushing forward a black/white proposition.
Go native or not.
No one's screaming heresy or forcing you to pick up any banners. You're dumbing down the discussion.
But, let's indulge your proposition:
You're screaming 'heresy' because because people whose opinions differ from yours won't wave the flag like you do.
Nowhere on this board do you have me stating that I'm anti-US.
I, for one (and I think I speak for more than myself), AM as anti-US as you are anti-Latin America.
You can dish it out, but... |
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cerulean808
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Gopher
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| your allegation that I have "flown off on a tangent" when I discuss Latin American illegals shows that you are probably out of touch and have a problem with reading comprehension. |
No it was the jump from acknowledging U.S. corruption to illegal immigrants being political extremists I found incongruent. Maybe if you had made an assertion about their attitudes to corruption being harmful to the U.S system there would have been a stronger connection.
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| What you are doing when you denounce U.S. democracy, corruption, Ken Lay, and generally express outrage over the U.S. is called "hijacking." |
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| And you're screaming "heresy" because I haven't and won't pick up Che Guevara's banner but rather I adopt a perspicatious and critical attitude of the region. |
How can you claim I denounce democracy in the U.S? Raising the issue of the level of corruption in any democracy shows a sign of concern for it. I've never said anything about Che Guevara and his banner or heresy so don't know what your on about there. You suffer a knee jerk reaction to any criticism or questioning directed at U.S. politics.
Which returns to my orginal criticism of your one sidedness. Calling Latin American politics pure emotionalism and irrational is a bit rich coming from a patriot of a country whose current administration engages in exactly that kind of politics.
How about you focus some of that perspicatious and critical attitude further north.
If you feel I've hijacked your thread then ask me to leave and I will. |
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