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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse
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Define the origins of Irish and Sottish clan music please.
For example, this song from a little known scottish band clan n drumma:
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Lay me doon in the caul caul groon
Whaur afore monie mair huv gaun
Lay me doon in the caul caul groon
Whaur afore monie mair huv gaun
When they come a wull staun ma groon
Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears
Ains a year say a prayer faur me
Close yir een an remember me
Nair mair shall a see the sun
For a fell tae a Germans gun
Lay me doon in the caul caul groon
Whaur afore monie mair huv gaun
Lay me doon in the caul caul groon
Whaur afore monie mair huv gaun
Whaur afore monie mair huv gaun |
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Lay me down in the cold cold ground
Where before many more have gone
Lay me down in the cold cold ground
Where before many more have gone
When they come I will stand my ground
Stand my ground I��ll not be afraid
Thoughts of home take away my fear
Sweat and blood hide my veil of tears
Once a year say a prayer for me
Close your eyes and remember me
Never more shall I see the sun
For I fell to a Germans gun
Lay me down in the cold cold ground
Where before many more have gone
Lay me down in the cold cold ground
Where before many more have gone
Where before many more have gone |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 10:24 am Post subject: |
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I prefer this slightly more rawkus ditty...
And when Im dead, and in me grave
No costly tombstone I do crave
Just lay me down in my native peat
With a jug of punch at me head and feet
Tu ra loo ra loo tu ra loo ra loo
Tu ra loo ra loo tu ra loo ra loo
Just lay me down in my native peat
With a jug of punch at me head and feet |
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Imbroglio
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Behind the wheel of a large automobile
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:32 am Post subject: |
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Gary Owen
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Let Bacchus' sons be not dismayed
But join with me, each jovial blade
Come, drink and sing and lend your aid
To help me with the chorus:
Chorus
Instead of spa, we'll drink brown ale
And pay the reckoning on the nail;
No man for debt shall go to jail
From Garryowen in glory.
We'll beat the bailiffs out of fun,
We'll make the mayor and sheriffs run
We are the boys no man dares dun
If he regards a whole skin.
Chorus
Our hearts so stout have got no fame
For soon 'tis known from whence we came
Where'er we go they fear the name
Of Garryowen in glory.
Chorus |
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The Great Toad
Joined: 12 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| So ahh theer were like Vikings who landed and made some Irish Towns. So (not to be a Korean Race Color type and comment on brown VS light Koreans skins) but can you see a Viking Race look?- maybe blond by the sea dark by the hills? Also in Scotland they had the screaming Blue painted Celts who would attack naked against the Romans. So like the blue freaks held out in Wales for a while - the Celts I think, but did they also hide their culture in Ireland like maybe those Islands where they talk that Celt lingo or something? If so is it safe to visit se Islands or will I be attacked by a bunch of blue painted savages? |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| If so is it safe to visit se Islands or will I be attacked by a bunch of blue painted savages? |
Yes. You probably will.
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| Define the origins of Irish and Sottish clan music please. |
Absolutely no idea. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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This should make clear the Scottish view on Northern Irish history:
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The area that's nou kent as Northren Ireland haes haed a diverse history. Frae servin as the bedrock o Irish resistance in the era o the plantations o Queen Elizabeth an James I in ither pairts o Ireland, it becam the subject o major plantin o Scots an English settlers itsel efter the Flicht o the Earls in 1607 (whan the native Gaelic aristocracy left en masse for Catholic Europe).
The aw-island Kinrick o Ireland (1541-1801) wis incorporate intae the Unitit Kinrick o Great Breetain an Ireland in 1801 unner the terms o the Act o Union, the kinricks o Ireland an Great Britain an merged unner a central pairlament, government an monarchy based in Lunnon. In the early 20t century Unionists, led bi Sir Edward Carson, opposed the introduction o Hame Rule in Ireland. Unionists wis in a minority on the island o Ireland as a hail, but formed a majority in the Northren province o Ulster. An example o the Unionists' sheer determination no tae hae Hame Rule forced upon them wis whan they resortit tae the Larne Gun Runnin in 1912, whan they smuggelt thoosands o rifles an roonds o ammuneetion frae Imperial Germany. Therefore, efter the First Warld War, Ireland wis parteetiont in 1921 unner the terms o the Government o Ireland Act 1920 atween sax o the nine Ulster coonties in the nor'east (formin Northren Ireland) an the ither twinty-sax coonties o the sooth an wast (formin the Irish Free State in 1922). Whan the latter achieved domeenion status, the sax Northren Ireland coonties — unner the procedurs setten oot in the Anglo-Irish Treaty, 1921 — optit oot, an sae bides as pairt o the Unitit Kinrick.
The Ireland Act 1949 gied the first legal guarantee tae the Pairlament an Government that Northren Ireland wadna cease tae be pairt o the Unitit Kinrick athoot consent o the majority o its ceetizens, an this wis maist recent reaffirmed bi the Northren Ireland Act 1998. This status wis echoed in the Anglo-Irish Greement in 1985, that wis signed bi the governments o the United Kinrick an the Republic o Ireland. Bunreacht na hÉireann, the constitution o the Republic, wis amendit in 1999 for tae remuive a claim tae owerance ower the hail o Ireland (in Airticle 2), a claim qualifee'd bi an acknawledgement o Breetish rule in the nor'east. The new Airticles 2 an 3, addit tae the Bunreacht for tae replace the earlier airticles, acknwwledge impleecit that the status o Northren Ireland, an its relationships wi the Unitit Kinrick an the Republic o Ireland, wad only be chynged wi the greement o the feck o voters in Northren Ireland. An acknawledgement that a deceesion on whither tae bide in the Unitit Kingrick or jyne the Republic o Ireland bides wi the fowk o Northren Ireland wis central tae the Belfast Greement an aw, that wis signed in 1998 an raitifee'd bi simultanous plebiscites hauden in baith Northren Ireland an the Republic. Houaniver, mony unionist leaders equivocate whan speirt if they wad accept a reunitit Ireland peacefu if a majority in Northren Ireland socht it. Template:First MeenistersNI A plebiscite athin Northren Ireland anent whither it shoud bide in the Unitit Kinrick, or jyne the Republic, wis hauden in 1973. The vote gaed heavily in favour o mainteinin the status quo, in piart acause mony naitionalists boycotted it. Tho legal proveesion bides for haudin anither plebiscite, an the Ulster Unionist Pairty leader David Trimble some years syne advocatit the haudin o sican a vote, nae plans for sican a vote haes been adoptit as o 2005. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Nice one Mith!
I can understand it if I imagine a western isle Scot speaking it. |
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csvfa
Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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| can you see a Viking Race look? |
Actually, there is a relatively big Spanish influence in Ireland, caused by the landing of the Spanish Armada when, after they failed to conquer England, they got lost/too tired and landed in Ireland. So nowadays there are lots of dark-featured Irish people with Spanish surnames. |
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whimzee42
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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Help me decide between studying at QUB and becoming a travelling English teacher. Not really looking for answers, just insight.
I am an American. I really love Ireland and have spent some time there (a few months total). I am even trying to learn the ridiculous language! I am trying to decide if I should go get an MA in Irish Anthropology from Queens and then try to fish my wish of staying forever. . .I know, I know -- not easy! I'll probably try to get funding for a PhD.
However, I fear that Ireland is becoming more and more like America -- in a bad way. Lots of ugly tract home developments. Bigger cars. The reigning ideology of MORE MONEY, MORE MONEY! In short, everything I hate about America & want to escape.
But I love the culture. Going into a store to buy a pack of gum and walking out an hour later because you got sucked into a conversation with the shopkeeper. Shooting the shit at the pubs. Things are still small and cozy. (Seriously, if you have never been, everything really is bigger in America . . the cars, the houses, the roads, the pool-tables, the people.)
So, I am afraid if I go in debt to go to Ireland for a year, I'll just get disillusioned and broke. Why did you run away? |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| whimzee42 wrote: |
Help me decide between studying at QUB and becoming a travelling English teacher. Not really looking for answers, just insight.
I am an American. I really love Ireland and have spent some time there (a few months total). I am even trying to learn the ridiculous language! I am trying to decide if I should go get an MA in Irish Anthropology from Queens and then try to fish my wish of staying forever. . .I know, I know -- not easy! I'll probably try to get funding for a PhD.
However, I fear that Ireland is becoming more and more like America -- in a bad way. Lots of ugly tract home developments. Bigger cars. The reigning ideology of MORE MONEY, MORE MONEY! In short, everything I hate about America & want to escape.
But I love the culture. Going into a store to buy a pack of gum and walking out an hour later because you got sucked into a conversation with the shopkeeper. Shooting the *beep* at the pubs. Things are still small and cozy. (Seriously, if you have never been, everything really is bigger in America . . the cars, the houses, the roads, the pool-tables, the people.)
So, I am afraid if I go in debt to go to Ireland for a year, I'll just get disillusioned and broke. Why did you run away? |
QUB! I went there for my English degree. 1996-1999. It's a fine university but, y'know, living in Belfast will give you a not very typically Irish experience. More than half of the people in Belfast don't see themselves as Irish at all. Belfast life is far from cosy.
If it's cosy, turf-fire pubs and chatting all day to storekeepers that you like then you're describing the country experience. Not the hard-edged, modern atmosphere you'll find in Dublin and Belfast.
Yes, Ireland is economically rampant these days which has led to a lot of development. People want better homes. I think that's fine. In one way, Ireland got the reputation of being 'quaint' because it was poor!!! Tourists loved seeing donkey and carts still being used in the 1960's to transport stuff around. But you can bet the guy on that donkey would have loved to have had enough money for a truck!!!
I left Belfast because I was curious about Asia and needed a job!!
I think you'll have to follow your instinct on this one.
Belfast (or elsewhere in Ireland) would be cool if you are prepared and realistic about your expectations. Ireland, especially Belfast, is no picnic.
Of course, coming to korea to teach would be another jump in the dark.
Go with your guts! |
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crystal
Joined: 04 May 2006
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| The Irish accent really is the hottest. What accent do Irish people like? |
ooohh its gotta be the scots accent, gets me every time  |
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whimzee42
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 4:35 am Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
QUB! I went there for my English degree. 1996-1999. It's a fine university but, y'know, living in Belfast will give you a not very typically Irish experience. More than half of the people in Belfast don't see themselves as Irish at all. Belfast life is far from cosy. |
Excellent point. But, I also like good food and cultural events. I figure the countryside is close enough when I need a fix. Where I live now, have to go a LONG way to get away from the Walmarts and the SUVs.
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| If it's cosy, turf-fire pubs and chatting all day to storekeepers that you like then you're describing the country experience. Not the hard-edged, modern atmosphere you'll find in Dublin and Belfast. |
I must admit, I don't really like Dublin at all. Belfast is much more interesting. Of course, I've lived in Filthadelphia. I can handle a little hard edge. (I love Derry too.)
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| Yes, Ireland is economically rampant these days which has led to a lot of development. People want better homes. I think that's fine. In one way, Ireland got the reputation of being 'quaint' because it was poor!!! Tourists loved seeing donkey and carts still being used in the 1960's to transport stuff around. But you can bet the guy on that donkey would have loved to have had enough money for a truck!!!. |
Yeah, I guess I did come off a little polyannish. . .quaint little leprechauns and all that. I actually think quaint is one of the most offensive words in the English language. I live pretty close Amish country; other than the pretty countryside, I am always baffled that it is a "tourist destination." People come to gawk at the plain people who really just want to be left alone. They have plenty of money for trucks, but they drive horse-drawn buggies -- which are a real drag to get stuck behind on the highway.
Actually, one of my bizarrist "Irish" cultural experiences was in rural Donegal where Seamus the drunken bogcutter try to force me to "give us a snog." That was interesting. And surreal. I have a peculiar tendency to attract cultural stereotypes. I once made out with a French baguette seller. Lord knows what I'd find in Korea.
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| Belfast (or elsewhere in Ireland) would be cool if you are prepared and realistic about your expectations. Ireland, especially Belfast, is no picnic. |
I guess I just have such an idealized picture of the place that it might be a shame to ruin it by realizing that yes, there are a** holes in Ireland too. (Actually, I've already met several.) I'm thrilled about the economic success. You'd be amazed by how many Americans still think you are all starving to death. Of course, most Americans can't find New Orleans on a map either -- even after Katrina. Success, however, always comes at a price. I know from first hand experience what can happen when a place looses its soul. My home area went from rural to suburban in 20 years. While it's nice to have the convenient mini-markets nearby, it was nicer to have a farmer's stand selling fresh picked tomatoes.
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| Go with your guts! |
Unfortunately, my guts don't particularly like black pudding OR kimchi!
I guess too that ultimately I am also deciding less on a place than on a career path. Do I become a bookish professor or an international ne'er-do-well English teacher? |
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