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Antrugha
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Location: On a 2-wheeled engine
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 Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:10 am Post subject: A good hogwon/public school |
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do you guys know of any good places taht are looking to hire a new teacher from canada? I'm looking for the base of 2+M/mnth, airfare (pref paid for ahead of time), housing, 50% medical, 10+days paid vacation (would pref more), etc.
I've been looking for a month so far and all i really get are recruiters or schools offering lower amounts because i'm brown, which is ridiculous.
Thanks!
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chrisOC2005
Joined: 19 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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POC English teachers in the house!!!
Well, I'm half-Korean, so we'll see where that gets me ...
Chris |
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Antrugha
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Location: On a 2-wheeled engine
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| POC wha!? haha |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: A good hogwon/public school |
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| Antrugha wrote: |
do you guys know of any good places that are looking to hire a new teacher from canada? I'm looking for the base of 2+M/mnth, airfare (pref paid for ahead of time), housing, 50% medical, 10+days paid vacation (would pref more), etc.
I've been looking for a month so far and all i really get are recruiters or schools offering lower amounts because i'm brown, which is ridiculous.
Thanks!
Anirudh |
The public system offers a standarized pay scale.... but it starts lower than your expectation unless you have more than the minimum qualifications...
For hakwaon work... it's a crapshoot at the best of times and Korea is RACIST.... your not in Toronto anymore... racism is not only tolerated but is a normal practice here....
Best bet is get on a plane and sus it out yourself here... A teacher here is also often worth more for lots of reasons... including the ability to bargin harder cause you are here and you can choose your place and better terms in a teachers market. |
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Antrugha
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Location: On a 2-wheeled engine
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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so... let's just say that flying over isn't an option
do you guys have any schools that you know are good that are hiring? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Antrugha wrote: |
so... let's just say that flying over isn't an option
do you guys have any schools that you know are good that are hiring? |
OK... as a prelude to this... I will make the assumption that you HAVE your bachelors degree and do NOT have a TESOL cert, Masters degree or experience as a teacher.
If flying over ahead of a job is NOT an option for you and you are not the pretty white face that hakwans sell to their clients... then you will probably NOT get what you are looking for.
You may get a position at lower wages/benefits (and I'm NOT saying you should accept it), and you WILL face discriminatory practices at ANY/EVERY hakwan because of your color.
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RACISM IS ALIVE AND WELL IN KOREA.... the system will NOT accomodate you and there is NO legal remedy available to you (as a foreigner) if you suffer because of racism.
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Your best bet if you insist on coming to Korea is to find an afterschool (public program) or get ahold of EPIK/GEPIK to get into the program for the fall (Aug/Sept). You must be aware that STARTING wages for a newbie are lower in those programs but you will suffer a bit less of a problem because of your color and there are salary increases for experience and professional development...
You have my moral support and best wishes but be aware of what you are trying to get yourself into.... Out of the pot and into the fire so-to-speak.
PS... there are other threads here that discuss at length the same problem you are experiencing.... When you think about coming here... think about racism in the American South in the mid 60's....
Welcome to Korea |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
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RACISM IS ALIVE AND WELL IN KOREA.... the system will NOT accomodate you and there is NO legal remedy available to you (as a foreigner) if you suffer because of racism.
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Utter BS. Sure there are some racists in Korea, just like everywhere else on Earth. But the labour board has helped many foreigners get what they are owned. If you go to court with a labour board ruling in your favour that's pretty much game over. |
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Antrugha
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Location: On a 2-wheeled engine
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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really??
i know a few 'coloured' teachers in Korea right now and I had a friend (brown) go to korea for the summer to teach (illegaly) for a few months and all of them say that everyone is friendly. The only racism i've come across is dealing with some of these shady hagwons. Other than that, Korea seems on par in terms of human rights with most other modernized countries. Albeit, it's not at the level that most western countries are, it's still better off then, say, South Africa.
Anyway... does anyone still have any suggestions/schools that they know are good/hiring?
If so, my resume is posted at www.giraffemonkey.ca/resume.html |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Antrugha wrote: |
really??
i know a few 'coloured' teachers in Korea right now and I had a friend (brown) go to korea for the summer to teach (illegaly) for a few months and all of them say that everyone is friendly. The only racism i've come across is dealing with some of these shady hagwons. Other than that, Korea seems on par in terms of human rights with most other modernized countries. Albeit, it's not at the level that most western countries are, it's still better off then, say, South Africa.
Anyway... does anyone still have any suggestions/schools that they know are good/hiring?
If so, my resume is posted at www.giraffemonkey.ca/resume.html |
Your CV is too wordy and the wording too pretentious. If you're looking for a good hogwan you should express an interest in working with children. Also, Korea is in Northeast, not Southeast Asia. Your photo is good and if a hogwan won't take you because of your skin colour it's probably for the better from your point of view.
I guarantee that a good-looking blond who posted this would get chosen over you any time. Read it and compare it to yours:
Jane Mackenzie (place photo of good-looking blond here)
1234 Maple Leaf Street
Saskatoon, Sask., Canada
V2P 5M7
306-123-4567
[email protected]
Education:
BA University of Saskatchewan, 2005, sociology major (GPA 2.25)
Sir Wilfred Laurier High School, graduated 2001
Saint John's Ambulance first aid certificate, Level 2
Experience:
Tutoring EFL students at university, two years
Sunday school teacher, Wesley Community Church, six months
Server, Tim Hortons, 2003-2005
Part-time babysister, 1998-1999
References:
Professor Pedantic, Dept. of Sociology, University of Saskatchewan
Rev. Lovejoy, Head of Sunday School, Wesley Community Church
Joe Deadend, Assistant Manager, Tim Hortons
Dear Madam / Sir,
I really want to work and teach in Korea. I have friends who have done it and really recommend it. I have Korean friends in Canada who are great and the type of people I'd love to live around all the time. All I've heard about Korea sounds wonderful.
I really love working with kids and in my experience I get along with them reall well. I speak English very clearly and look really good. I'm a hard worker, I adapt easity to new environments, I like working evenings, I really want to spend at least one year working in a new country, and I think I'll make a good teacher. Once I start something I don't quit.
I have notarised copies of my BA degree and certified, sealed copies of my transcripts along with photocopies of my passport that I'm ready to send as soon as you can send me a contract to sign. I've never worked in Korea before and have all the documents I need ready to go. I can start work as soon as possible. Please contact me by telephone _______________ or email ________________ as soon as possible. Thanks for your time. |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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Oh I love critiquing resumes!!!!
First, I wouldn't say it's too pretentious. If you were applying for a blue collar job in Canada -or any job in Alberta for that matter- then yes it is pretentious. However, most Koreans aren't sufficiently well versed in the language to be able to spot pretention.
Honestly, though, hate to say it but you'll loose 99 percent of all interest based on the color of your skin and your name. As mentioned before, you wouldn't want to work for them anyway.
Why don't you stay in Canada? The economy is hot and it sounds like you've got an employable Major...
However, skin color aside, let's look at this:
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| I am writing with regards to teaching English within your esteemed organization. [Italics Mine] |
This is good. If you're applying for a hogwan job, it shows that you have a sense of humor. That is a must have quality. You'll do well when little Joon tries to stick his fingers up your butt and your boss is out blowing the state taxes he collected off you on Soju and prostitutes.
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| In the pursuit of well-rounded knowledge, I have had the gracious opportunity to have experienced research in both chemistry and computing.[Italics Mine] |
I'd drop "gracious"... you're a wanabee ESL teacher working in the land of the Morning Wackiness, not a wanabee courtier in the court of Lord Fontlerai.
Even if applying for jobs in Canada, I'd drop that word (unless you're applying for a job as a Rig Pig in Fort McMurray... they really go for that kind of talk up there 
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| As a don, I am the floor advisor and have to deal with discipline, social and academic issues the students may be facing and making sure that the community within the floor is healthy [Italics Mine]. |
Hey! How can you be a "Don" and not be an Italian? You don't look like you can trace your blood lines on both sides to Siciliy.... Perhaps when the Hagwan fails to pay you on time you can put a horse's head in your bosses bed....
From my experience, I had absolutely no problems getting the two ESL jobs I had, but then again I showed up in person and I'm a white honkey with a waspy name.
Resumes mean very little in Korea for teachers from my experience.
I dumbed down my resume big time for the ESL jobs so that it only showed my BA, Canada, and the fact that I worked a Berlitz for a short time.
It was the world's shortest resume.
I have a whack of other qualifications, but I stripped them all off because they weren't relevent to the job, and they would only have hurt my chances of getting the ESL job. |
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buymybook
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride
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| Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 1:30 am Post subject: |
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caps (shouting) intended here:
RACISM IS ALIVE AND WELL IN KOREA.... the system will NOT accomodate you and there is NO legal remedy available to you (as a foreigner) if you suffer because of racism.
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Utter BS. Sure there are some racists in Korea, just like everywhere else on Earth. But the labour board has helped many foreigners get what they are owned. If you go to court with a labour board ruling in your favour that's pretty much game over. |
When(time=number of years) is the game over? |
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Hotpants
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 4:44 am Post subject: |
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I would only think positively when making a job application. Sure, there are not many black foreigners teaching here. But, the more that come, the better it is for breaking the image that only white people can be suitable teachers. I would sure like to see more Korean kids get exposed to the multi-culturalism that exists in the West. They're only just coming round to the fact that English is not just exclusively a phenomenon of North America.
As far as resume goes, I guarantee that most recruiters don't even look past the lines that say your name and whether you have a uni diploma. They wouldn't notice whether you had been digging trenches for the past 10 years of your life, for example. If they disregard you on the basis of your photo, then they're simply not worth working for. But, with the current teacher shortage, I'm quite sure an employer will overlook anything from any applicant, give you a job, then you can have the chance to show them what you have to offer.
Head up and go for it! |
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