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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Speed doesnt reduce your co ordination or perception of reality, |
Judging from this comment, I'd say your experience with speed is limited to a cup of coffee. When you know nothing about something it is OK to say so, or even to not comment. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Speed doesnt reduce your co ordination or perception of reality, |
Judging from this comment, I'd say your experience with speed is limited to a cup of coffee. When you know nothing about something it is OK to say so, or even to not comment. |
I'm with Ya-ta on this. I defy anyone to do two nights on some real amphetamines, and not have an altered perception of reality. The only way I believe this to be possible is if you are given bad gear. And as for co-ordination, well I did a few silly things when I was young and foolish, and I have to conclude that speed certainly *beeped* with my co-ordination. Its an illegal chemical, I'm pretty sure its a MAO inhibitor, which means that it makes your brain release too much fluid (dopamine) inbetween those bits inyour brain where signals pass. Please correct me if i'm wrong, and excuse my poor literacy but its pretty early in the morning....  |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Speed doesnt reduce your co ordination or perception of reality, |
Judging from this comment, I'd say your experience with speed is limited to a cup of coffee. When you know nothing about something it is OK to say so, or even to not comment. |
I've taken far more speed than I care to admit to. There, you made me say more than I wanted to.
Ok, you want to be picky. One could say it alters your perception of reality in the sense that it can seriously mess you with your mood, often in a negative way. Obviously in this context Im talking about whether or not it would make them percieve music in a faulty manner, and play out of tune or out of time. In my experience, it does not. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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At UMass (ZooMass, whatever...) just to keep from flunking out 'cause I couldn't motivate myself to attend any regular classes (being up all-night like every night...) I resorted to seeking out the long white- haired and bearded ghost of a 90 lb. guy named Matthew who resided on the 13th floor of one of the campus towers. He appeared to be about 130 years old, but he was probably just 19 or 20, and he could always be found in his crystal meth dorm-room-shop , open 24/7...
After snorting like a graham in the library or study hall rest-room, I'd sit down and read a pile of books for several courses, occasionally standing up and wanting to punch a hole through a wall (and I'd sometimes notice that my gums were dramatically receding...) When it was time to go to my final exams I'd be so disoriented that I'd end up at the infirmary instead (usually diagnosed with dehydration...) and get medical excuses... (I did better on acid, though, getting an A on a Sociology final while tripping after briefly going over some of the terms and concepts with a freaky friend who'd taken the course (and was also tripping...)
Er...what was the question? - Anyway, I think pretty much only some heavy drummers and power percussionists could perform really well on speed (while I would probably punch holes in the drums, dent and mangle the rims, and crash the cymbols into walls after sailing them like frisbes...) |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| After snorting like a graham in the library or study hall rest-room, I'd sit down and read a pile of books for several courses, occasionally standing up and wanting to punch a hole through a wall (and I'd sometimes notice that my gums were dramatically receding...) When it was time to go to my final exams I'd be so disoriented that I'd end up at the infirmary instead (usually diagnosed with dehydration...) and get medical excuses... (I did better on acid, though, getting an A on a Sociology final while tripping after briefly going over some of the terms and concepts with a freaky friend who'd taken the course (and was also tripping...) |
So you snorted grahams and went crackers?  |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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No, actually I went nuts... I'd eat a box of graham crackers topped with peanut butter and jelly (or marshmellow fluff...) after smoking a graham of blonde Afganistani hash, though...
I ingested all kinds of smoke and pyschedelics for about six years (age 18-24) (but I've somehow been completely free of drugs/alcohol/tobacco since November of '73 when I "surrendered to Krishna" in Coconut Grove...) |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Ok, you want to be picky. One could say it alters your perception of reality in the sense that it can seriously mess you with your mood, often in a negative way. |
Oh, do tell.
This is far different from your first contention that speed does nothing to your sense of 'reality'. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 5:22 am Post subject: |
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| I dissagree strongly. The media helped to spread the word, to increase thier popularity, and make sure the seats at concerts were filled. But the actual reaction of the crowds at concerts simply could not be created by anything, and was totally unique at that time and even now. The reaction was physical, palpable, hysterical, particularly from the women. |
This is said by someone who only read the media at home, wanting to hype the latest thing. If you knew anything about the topic, you'd know that exactly the same thing happened with Frank Sinatra pre-WWII. The (some of the) female of the species can be stimulated to hysteria by the media. (No doubt some males of the species can, too.)
Since a goodly share of the teenage females who met the 'lads' as they got off the plane were orgasmic without ever having heard any of the music is proof enough.
You have no clue. It has nothing to do with Brit nationalism, although I smell a whiff of it in your post.
I did say to begin with that they were a media creation before they proved they deserved it with their talent. But 50% of the phenomenon was media. Quibble if you want.
Rteacher...what grade were you in Jan. '64? I was in 9th. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| I dissagree strongly. The media helped to spread the word, to increase thier popularity, and make sure the seats at concerts were filled. But the actual reaction of the crowds at concerts simply could not be created by anything, and was totally unique at that time and even now. The reaction was physical, palpable, hysterical, particularly from the women. |
This is said by someone who only read the media at home, wanting to hype the latest thing. If you knew anything about the topic, you'd know that exactly the same thing happened with Frank Sinatra pre-WWII. The (some of the) female of the species can be stimulated to hysteria by the media. (No doubt some males of the species can, too.)
Since a goodly share of the teenage females who met the 'lads' as they got off the plane were orgasmic without ever having heard any of the music is proof enough.
You have no clue. It has nothing to do with Brit nationalism, although I smell a whiff of it in your post.
I did say to begin with that they were a media creation before they proved they deserved it with their talent. But 50% of the phenomenon was media. Quibble if you want.
Rteacher...what grade were you in Jan. '64? I was in 9th. |
That's a big negative on everything you wrote there except the Sinatra thing, which I've never heard about.
The records were available in the states well before they came over, and that was what the girls were freaky about. With the amount of number one radio hits they'd had in the states before they came over it's highly unlikely the crowds at the airport were there on press hype alone. You would have had to be a hermit to have not heard thier tracks.You see the footage of the concerts, and you know that was not chicks getting hysterical because of what someone wrote in a paper.
You can't hype something that is not already happening. They had the same reactions in Hamburg in the early club gigging days, and this is before they had a record out or even had much press at all.
As for 50% of the phenominon being media. I won't quibble, I'll just inform you that you are wrong, simple as that.
I've forgotten more about the Beatles than you will ever know. You've got a nerve even speaking to me about the subject you great boob. And Im not Brittish.
Now, get back to listening to your Barry Manilow records and never pretend to speak seriously about pop music every again in my presence... |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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I was in 10th grade then "cause I graduated from Springfield Classical High in 1967 (just a coincidence, I suppose, that Timothy Leary had graduated from there nearly thirty years earlier when it was known as Central High...  ) I played varsity football for three years (blocked two punts in one game...) was an honor student off-and-on (depending on how sleepy I was...) and my father was a math teacher at the same school. In my high school yearbook my message was something like "I hope to promote the spread of liberal thought throughout the world"... |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| If you knew anything about the topic, you'd know that exactly the same thing happened with Frank Sinatra pre-WWII. The (some of the) female of the species can be stimulated to hysteria by the media. (No doubt some males of the species can, too.) |
Beat me to that particular punch. (though pre-WWII? hmm..) I was thinking about hunting down this info yesterday. Just remembered where I'd read it.
| Nick Tosches, in Dino -- Living High in the Dirty Business of Dreams, 1992, wrote: |
| At the age of forty-five, [George B.] Evans was the most high-powered publicist in New York. He was the man who, in January 1943, had hired the bobby-soxers who screamed and swooned for Frank Sinatra at the Paramount. He had rehearsed the girls himself in the theater basement, had rented the ambulance to park outside, had notified the press that the ushers were equipped with emergency smelling-salts; had christened Sinatra "the Voice." |
And here's a link I just stumbled upon. Don't know if it's good, but it begins promising and on-topic. http://kickbuttpublicity.com/
BTW, this is the prickliest group of Beatles fans I've seen since my grandparents. Say, anyone else's grandmother besides mine into the Floyd? Because she's got a trunkful of studio outtakes from Meddle on reel-to-reel she's looking to swap for something of equal value. (Sorry, MODs -- should this go in Buy/Sell/Trade?) |
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capebretoncanadian
Joined: 20 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| Beatles blow the stones out of of the water! |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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...what grade were you in Jan. '64? I was in 9th. |
If that's really the case I'm going to petition Dave to force you to change your handle to Ya-ta Haraboji.
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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Keith Richards undergoes brain surgery: media
Sun May 7, 11:18 PM ET
WELLINGTON (Reuters) - Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards had surgery to relieve a blood clot on his brain caused by an accident while holidaying in Fiji, local media reported on Monday.
The 62-year-old rocker was recovering in New Zealand after "brain surgery," Australian and New Zealand media reported.
A spokeswoman for the band said last week that Richards only suffered a mild concussion from an accident in Fiji in late April and would not require surgery.
The New Zealand Herald reported that Richards underwent brain surgery to relieve a subdural haematoma or blood clot on the brain. The operation normally involves drilling a hole through the skull to drain the clot.
Subdural haematoma can be caused by mild knocks to the head.
"The Herald understands the 62-year-old's condition was much more serious than previously reported," said the newspaper, but did not quote any hospital or medical officials.
Australian Broadcasting Corp radio also reported that Richards had undergone surgery and remained in New Zealand under observation.
Auckland's Ascot Hospital told Reuters on Monday that Richards had been discharged but would give no further details.
"I can confirm that he was discharged ... but other than that I can't make any comment. The hospital's policy is quite clear that we don't discuss any patients' past, present or future," said the spokesman.
Richards was flown to Auckland, New Zealand, in late April after an accident while holidaying in Fiji following the end of the Japan, China, Australia and New Zealand leg of a world tour.
A band spokeswoman said last week that Richards had been discharged and was in "good spirits" and adamant he would join the rest of the Stones in Barcelona for the kick-off of the European leg of their tour on May 27.
Along with lead singer Mick Jagger, Richards has been the backbone of the Rolling Stones since the 1960s.
His history of arrests and drug abuse in younger years has given him the reputation as rock 'n' roll's ultimate survivor. He pokes fun at his checkered past by greeting concert audiences with the catchphrase, "Good to be here, good to be anywhere."
He has suffered his fair share of freak accidents.
In 1998, he broke three ribs and punctured a lung after falling from a ladder while reaching for a book in his library.
In 1990, one of his fingers got infected after he punctured it on a guitar string. In both cases, the Stones were forced to postpone concerts. |
Damn, I wonder what that life of drugs and rock and roll does to a brain- his would be the paradigmatic "brain on drugs". I'm seriously curious if there is a visible effect. |
I don't know much about Richards' personal life, but I do know he spent years addicted to heroin. Had a truly massive habit by all accounts. Whilst long-term heroin use has numerous adverse physical effects on the user - such as constipation (during the making of 'Exile on Main Street' Richards would spend hours on the toilet waiting for his guts to move), collapsed veins, weight loss, and of course there are other health risks like overdose and death - there's no evidence at all that it causes brain damage. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 5:03 am Post subject: |
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Keith Richards undergoes brain surgery: media
Sun May 7, 11:18 PM ET
WELLINGTON (Reuters) - Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards had surgery to relieve a blood clot on his brain caused by an accident while holidaying in Fiji, local media reported on Monday.
The 62-year-old rocker was recovering in New Zealand after "brain surgery," Australian and New Zealand media reported.
A spokeswoman for the band said last week that Richards only suffered a mild concussion from an accident in Fiji in late April and would not require surgery.
The New Zealand Herald reported that Richards underwent brain surgery to relieve a subdural haematoma or blood clot on the brain. The operation normally involves drilling a hole through the skull to drain the clot.
Subdural haematoma can be caused by mild knocks to the head.
"The Herald understands the 62-year-old's condition was much more serious than previously reported," said the newspaper, but did not quote any hospital or medical officials.
Australian Broadcasting Corp radio also reported that Richards had undergone surgery and remained in New Zealand under observation.
Auckland's Ascot Hospital told Reuters on Monday that Richards had been discharged but would give no further details.
"I can confirm that he was discharged ... but other than that I can't make any comment. The hospital's policy is quite clear that we don't discuss any patients' past, present or future," said the spokesman.
Richards was flown to Auckland, New Zealand, in late April after an accident while holidaying in Fiji following the end of the Japan, China, Australia and New Zealand leg of a world tour.
A band spokeswoman said last week that Richards had been discharged and was in "good spirits" and adamant he would join the rest of the Stones in Barcelona for the kick-off of the European leg of their tour on May 27.
Along with lead singer Mick Jagger, Richards has been the backbone of the Rolling Stones since the 1960s.
His history of arrests and drug abuse in younger years has given him the reputation as rock 'n' roll's ultimate survivor. He pokes fun at his checkered past by greeting concert audiences with the catchphrase, "Good to be here, good to be anywhere."
He has suffered his fair share of freak accidents.
In 1998, he broke three ribs and punctured a lung after falling from a ladder while reaching for a book in his library.
In 1990, one of his fingers got infected after he punctured it on a guitar string. In both cases, the Stones were forced to postpone concerts. |
Damn, I wonder what that life of drugs and rock and roll does to a brain- his would be the paradigmatic "brain on drugs". I'm seriously curious if there is a visible effect. |
I don't know much about Richards' personal life, but I do know he spent years addicted to heroin. Had a truly massive habit by all accounts. Whilst long-term heroin use has numerous adverse physical effects on the user - such as constipation (during the making of 'Exile on Main Street' Richards would spend hours on the toilet waiting for his guts to move), collapsed veins, weight loss, and of course there are other health risks like overdose and death - there's no evidence at all that it causes brain damage. |
Okay, I guess you must be an American of a certain age to remember the "this is your brain on drugs" egg splat commercial/ government propaganda. Without that, my comment falls rather flat. |
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