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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
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| Hater Depot wrote: |
| There were a number of Japanese in the northern colonies. Back home I have a book about this, the title of which escapes me. |
Yeah, and there were a number of African slaves in Northern Europe. I read it in a book somewhere. Historically anecdotal, statistically meaningless, no significant lasting impact on local culture or attitudes. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| Asians were emigrating to America in the 1700s? . |
200 years makes it the 1800's mate, which is when Chinese started to come over.
History class was a long time ago, if I'm wrong about this fact, lets be real and admit that asians have been in america for a "long time" in significant enough numbers so that there is not an equivilant ignorance of asians in america relative to the ignorance and fear of black americans that there is in Korea.
My last gf in Korea, who is a highly educated person, said several times "I don't like black people, they are dirty and dangerous". |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: Am I too racially sensitive? |
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I see you are using English Time books.
My previous hagwon used the same series. One student, upon doing the same exercise, filled it in thusly:
I like diahrrea ice cream.
I don't like kimchi ice cream.
You tell me which is worse.
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jaganath69
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He would be told "What you wrote was insensitive to others and hurt peoples feelings. You go home and think about that".
Then he would get home and the parents would call the school and raise hell because their kid got sent home for using freedom of speech.
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Blackface, The Bubble Sisters? I can't remember seeing that kind of thing in the media back home since I used to watch the "Black and White Minstrel Show" as a wee tot in the early 1970s. Its considered highly offensive and a reminder of the days of slavery. I've seen numerous examples of it here, remember the BBQ chicken ad with the 'savages' in the jungle being pacified by gifts of fried chicken? My co teacher handed out money boxes the other day for a World Vision fund raiser for poor African kids and the accompanying leaflet contained the same bone-through-the-nose characterture that I have seen in numerous educational aids here. Bottom line, back in the west, the only place this kind of stuff turns up is on white nationalist websites. Here, its still mainstream. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: Am I too racially sensitive? |
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Would these make you cringe? The first is a project for our classes from an arts and crafts company.
The other is a recent homework assignment from a student. I asked her what she meant to write, and she quickly erased it. I'm hoping she meant to write something different than what I'm seeing.
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Yes, you are racially sensitive. The kid got the kite question wrong at the top and you've chosen to highlight his nasty views about blacks. The kid doesn't know the difference between 'in' and 'on'. Concentrate on getting that right first before giving him a big politically-correct 3-hour lecture and broadcasting the views of a silly child to a community of adults whose probable response is to shake their heads in aloof disbelief at how racist and backward those Koreans are. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Am I too racially sensitive? |
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
| Zenpickle wrote: |
Would these make you cringe? The first is a project for our classes from an arts and crafts company.
The other is a recent homework assignment from a student. I asked her what she meant to write, and she quickly erased it. I'm hoping she meant to write something different than what I'm seeing.
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Yes, you are racially sensitive. The kid got the kite question wrong at the top and you've chosen to highlight his nasty views about blacks. The kid doesn't know the difference between 'in' and 'on'. Concentrate on getting that right first before giving him a big politically-correct 3-hour lecture and broadcasting the views of a silly child to a community of adults whose probable response is to shake their heads in aloof disbelief at how racist and backward those Koreans are. |
I dont think he was ever considering lecturing the kid. But this kind of thing turning up in homework is a valid reason to make a comment on the society. There are no racist babies, they have to be created, mostly by thier parents... |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| That's a fair point, Satori. It can also be argued, I feel, that OP - as we all are - is racially sensitive. He or she I hope corrected the kid for a more fundamental English error. They are after all employed as English-teachers first and foremost. Our societies are so racially-sensitive - particularly towards blacks, who seem to be meritorious of ever-lasting sympathy, that a group of English-teachers have all neglected to spot an absolutely basic English error in favour of discussing the kid's dislike of "black race". My response would be to (a) correct the student's 'in/on' answer and (b) tell him that his 'black race' answer ought to carry a definite article. |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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First Transcontinental Railway
The majority of the Union Pacific track was built by Irish laborers, veterans of both the Union and Confederate armies, and Mormons who wished to see the railroad pass through Ogden and Salt Lake City, Utah. Mostly Chinese (coolies) worked for the Central Pacific. Even though at first they were thought to be too weak or fragile to do this type of work, after the first day in which Chinese were on the line, the decision was made to hire as many as could be found in California (where most were gold miners or in service industries such as laundries and kitchens), plus many more imported from China. Most of the men received between one and three dollars a day, but the workers from China recieved much less. Eventually they went on strike and gained a tiny bit larger salary. |
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seattlespew
Joined: 01 Mar 2006
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| seattlespew wrote: |
| Yeah, but that wasn't OVER 200 years ago. You are talking mid 1800s there. And OVER 200 years ago indeed does reach back into the 1700s. |
What I was saying.
And I'm not even debating the conclusion that the comment was meant to support. I'm just saying that "over 200 years ago" for the "first major wave of Asian immigration" seemed not just a little off, but off by double -- by 100% -- from what I thought was accurate. I thought "over 100 years ago" was about right, and no, I don't mean first Asian person or first 100 Asian families in America. I mean "first major wave".
And can I possibly beat this dead horse of a side-issue any further? |
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alinkorea
Joined: 02 May 2005
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In the West, we still suffer from widespread racism, but thankfully it's become unacceptable to publicly air such opinions. Racism in Korea is rife. It permeates all aspects of society. It's acceptable to hold such opinions. The content of the media is often racist, or at least extremely nationalistic. Some of the teaching in schools worsens the situation.
There are many reasons for this: historical lack of contact with foreigners; insular nature of Korean society.....
This doesn't mean we should accept it. The OP, in my opinion didn't overreact. Children don't create such views of their own accord. The sad fact is many Korean kids are being spoonfed racist ideas.
Whilst I don't see myself as a missionary of rightousness, we foreigners should try, whenenver possible, to encourage our students to be more understanding of other cultures. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
| That's a fair point, Satori. It can also be argued, I feel, that OP - as we all are - is racially sensitive. He or she I hope corrected the kid for a more fundamental English error. They are after all employed as English-teachers first and foremost. Our societies are so racially-sensitive - particularly towards blacks, who seem to be meritorious of ever-lasting sympathy, that a group of English-teachers have all neglected to spot an absolutely basic English error in favour of discussing the kid's dislike of "black race". My response would be to (a) correct the student's 'in/on' answer and (b) tell him that his 'black race' answer ought to carry a definite article. |
You're being facetious right??
I wouldn't think that it's suprising to anyone who has worked as an English teacher in Korea that Little Johnny Korean doesn't know his prepositions from his articles.
It's to be expected for some Primary school kid learning his second language - so much so that,
"a group of English-teachers have all neglected to spot an absolutely basic English error in favour of discussing the kid's dislike of "black race"
We all know, and can resonably expect, that Korean kids make mistakes in English grammar. BUT it's surprising, and interesting to find someone so young making statements of hate based on race.
If the question was asked if you're racially sensitive Spinoza, I know what my answer would be. |
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doggyji
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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| Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| I find it really weird. Why those two words 'black race' while she could choose from thousands of words/word combinations she might know. That's just so abrupt. |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| seattlespew wrote: |
| Yeah, but that wasn't OVER 200 years ago. You are talking mid 1800s there. And OVER 200 years ago indeed does reach back into the 1700s. |
Wasn't pickin' sides brethren: just offering some data. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I find it really weird. Why those two words 'black race' while she could choose from thousands of words/word combinations she might know. That's just so abrupt. |
Yeah when vocabulary like that is produced by a little kid you just know they found the word in a dictionary - and 9 times out of 10 don't understand it properly.
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