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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| I can't wait until China surpasses the USA as a superpower. I would feel so much safer... |
Move to Tibet. Or get on a plane and go to Darfur. Check out life in the newly-emerging Chinese sphere of influence as it unfolds there.
Go teach in the Sudan, then, or better yet teach in China itself if you are so enamored of the Chinese as an potentially emerging superpower. Stand in the middle of Tienanmen Square next time there's a protest against the state there and tell us how safe you feel.
On the geography issue: I found this while quickly checking out only a few universities in the western states, universities with especially large student bodies...
http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/geography/
http://geography.asu.edu/
http://geog.arizona.edu/
http://www.geog.byu.edu/
http://geography.sdsu.edu/
http://www.geog.ucla.edu/
http://geography.berkeley.edu/
If states were not interested in these fields, or if students were not keeping them alive by registering for classes and/or majoring in these fields, these professors and departments simply wouldn't be there.
So, I have to wonder, when what are some of you thinking when you keep asserting things like this...?
| Krats1976 wrote: |
| Let's face it: geography is not taught in most American schools as it should be. |
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patchy
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Because people are dying as a result of the lack of ignorance of the Americans. |
Care to try that again, jerky? |
I think I temporarily flipped because I was so overwhelmed by the amount of ignorance on display in that video. It was astounding.
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Also, I'd like to thank you for bringing your urbanity, perspicacity and magnanimity to the discussion. You really shed some light on it all. Opened my eyes.
I wish you could be in charge of the world, patchy. |
No, I think you should be in charge, flotsam. You're so much better than me. hahahahahaha. |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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No, I think you should be in charge, flotsam. You're so much better than me. hahahahahaha. |
Hahahaha. I know. You're not as bad as I thought, patch. |
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patchy
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 4:55 am Post subject: |
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No, I think you should be in charge, flotsam. You're so much better than me ........ |
And -- I forgot to add -- better than everybody else ... xXLOLXx |
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patchy
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| patchy wrote: |
| Gee, I can't wait until China surpasses the USA as a superpower. I would feel so much safer... |
Move to Tibet. Or get on a plane and go to Darfur. Check out life in the newly-emerging Chinese sphere of influence as it unfolds there.
Go teach in the Sudan, then, or better yet teach in China itself if you are so enamored of the Chinese as an potentially emerging superpower. Stand in the middle of Tienanmen Square next time there's a protest against the state there and tell us how safe you feel. |
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html
Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth
" ...... Until 1959, when the Dalai Lama last presided over Tibet, most of the arable land was still organized into manorial estates worked by serfs. Even a writer sympathetic to the old order allows that "a great deal of real estate belonged to the monasteries, and most of them amassed great riches. . . . In addition, individual monks and lamas were able to accumulate great wealth through active participation in trade, commerce, and money lending."6 Drepung monastery was one of the biggest landowners in the world, with its 185 manors, 25,000 serfs, 300 great pastures, and 16,000 herdsmen. The wealth of the monasteries went mostly to the higher-ranking lamas, many of them scions of aristocratic families .......
..... Thousands of others were beggars. A small minority were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned nothing. Their offspring were born into slavery.10 The greater part of the rural population---some 700,000 of an estimated total of 1,250,000---were serfs. Serfs and other peasants generally were little better than slaves. They went without schooling or medical care. They spent most of their time laboring for high-ranking lamas or for the secular landed aristocracy ..........
...... In the Dalai Lama's Tibet, torture and mutilation---including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation--were favored punishments inflicted upon runaway serfs and thieves. Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: "When a holy lama told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion."16 Since it was against Buddhist teachings to take human life, some offenders were severely lashed and then "left to God" in the freezing night to die. "The parallels between Tibet and medieval Europe are striking," concludes Tom Grunfeld in his book on Tibet......
....... In 1959, Anna Louise Strong visited an exhibition of torture equipment that had been used by the Tibetan overlords. There were handcuffs of all sizes, including small ones for children, and instruments for cutting off noses and ears, gouging out eyes, and breaking off hands. There were instruments for slicing off kneecaps and heels, or hamstringing legs. There were hot brands, whips, and special implements for disemboweling ........
Elites, �migr�s, and the CIA
For the rich lamas and lords, the Communist intervention was a calamity. Most of them fled abroad, as did the Dalai Lama himself, who was assisted in his flight by the CIA. Some discovered to their horror that they would have to work for a living. However, throughout the 1960s, the Tibetan exile community was secretly pocketing $1.7 million a year from the CIA, according to documents released by the State Department in 1998. Once this fact was publicized, the Dalai Lama's organization itself issued a statement admitting that it had received millions of dollars from the CIA during the 1960s to send armed squds of exiles into Tibet to undermine the Maoist revolution. The Dalai Lama's annual payment from the CIA was $186,000. Indian intelligence also financed both him and other Tibetan exiles. He has refused to say whether he or his brothers worked for the CIA. The agency has also declined to comment ........... " |
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vandyshannon
Joined: 30 Apr 2006
Location: Jeonju
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 7:13 am Post subject: simple answer |
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| Americans are extremely self-involved. I feel that as an American, i can say that. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| patchy wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
| patchy wrote: |
| Gee, I can't wait until China surpasses the USA as a superpower. I would feel so much safer... |
Move to Tibet. Or get on a plane and go to Darfur. Check out life in the newly-emerging Chinese sphere of influence as it unfolds there.
Go teach in the Sudan, then, or better yet teach in China itself if you are so enamored of the Chinese as an potentially emerging superpower. Stand in the middle of Tienanmen Square next time there's a protest against the state there and tell us how safe you feel. |
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html
Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth
" ...... Until 1959, when the Dalai Lama last presided over Tibet, most of the arable land was still organized into manorial estates worked by serfs. Even a writer sympathetic to the old order allows that "a great deal of real estate belonged to the monasteries, and most of them amassed great riches. . . . In addition, individual monks and lamas were able to accumulate great wealth through active participation in trade, commerce, and money lending."6 Drepung monastery was one of the biggest landowners in the world, with its 185 manors, 25,000 serfs, 300 great pastures, and 16,000 herdsmen. The wealth of the monasteries went mostly to the higher-ranking lamas, many of them scions of aristocratic families .......
..... Thousands of others were beggars. A small minority were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned nothing. Their offspring were born into slavery.10 The greater part of the rural population---some 700,000 of an estimated total of 1,250,000---were serfs. Serfs and other peasants generally were little better than slaves. They went without schooling or medical care. They spent most of their time laboring for high-ranking lamas or for the secular landed aristocracy ..........
...... In the Dalai Lama's Tibet, torture and mutilation---including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation--were favored punishments inflicted upon runaway serfs and thieves. Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: "When a holy lama told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion."16 Since it was against Buddhist teachings to take human life, some offenders were severely lashed and then "left to God" in the freezing night to die. "The parallels between Tibet and medieval Europe are striking," concludes Tom Grunfeld in his book on Tibet......
....... In 1959, Anna Louise Strong visited an exhibition of torture equipment that had been used by the Tibetan overlords. There were handcuffs of all sizes, including small ones for children, and instruments for cutting off noses and ears, gouging out eyes, and breaking off hands. There were instruments for slicing off kneecaps and heels, or hamstringing legs. There were hot brands, whips, and special implements for disemboweling ........
Elites, �migr�s, and the CIA
For the rich lamas and lords, the Communist intervention was a calamity. Most of them fled abroad, as did the Dalai Lama himself, who was assisted in his flight by the CIA. Some discovered to their horror that they would have to work for a living. However, throughout the 1960s, the Tibetan exile community was secretly pocketing $1.7 million a year from the CIA, according to documents released by the State Department in 1998. Once this fact was publicized, the Dalai Lama's organization itself issued a statement admitting that it had received millions of dollars from the CIA during the 1960s to send armed squds of exiles into Tibet to undermine the Maoist revolution. The Dalai Lama's annual payment from the CIA was $186,000. Indian intelligence also financed both him and other Tibetan exiles. He has refused to say whether he or his brothers worked for the CIA. The agency has also declined to comment ........... " |
Michael Parenti is a Marxist and left wing extremist, not a dispassionate historian. He can't be relied upon for accurate reporting on the China/Tibet issue. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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Why Patchy! I thought you would be in the DPRK by now.
Hey Patchy visit tibet and talK to a Tibetan ok. then write something that is not a regurgatation of Beijing propaganda.
But the subject is Americans lack of knowledge of geography. No excuse for this. I would say that the poll's sample was too small.
the U.S.A has great university's but a mess in the public schools. Also who were the respondents of the poll and where was it done. Saying an American is very vague. We have so many immigrants and such variety in the U.S. Also education varies greatly from region to region.
Two areas the U.S. is definitely lacking is in learning foreign languages and geography but i do not think not knowing where REgina is is going to kill anyone.
The U.S. is a big target and easy to pick on. Full of dumb uneducated people and also a lot of very bright extremely well educated people. Most Americans really do not understand America.
So there is no answer to this.
About Tibet ;Patchy do not talk about something you know nothing about!
Still unsure why you are not in the workers paradise of the North! |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm...if patchy avoided subjects "he" knew nothing about...
...what a wonderful world it would be. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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I do think that the American's problem with geography is NOT related to their education system but rather their media. ......... they do a piss poor job and have been doing a worse one. Americans in general, don't get any world news, any world reporting, any world knowledge unless they themselves seek it.
America has great resources, magazines, news, info. The problem is the WILL to be self informed isn't there. The media has not done their job.
Every American sure as hell knows where the local Walmart is................
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krats1976
Joined: 14 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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America has great resources, magazines, news, info. The problem is the WILL to be self informed isn't there. The media has not done their job.
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It's not the media's job to educate a population. My gosh, can you imagine if people relied on the evening news to educate them about the world (even if they spent more time talking about non-domestic issues)??  |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: Can you Americans please explain this to me!! |
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By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID, Associated Press Writer
Tue May 2, 10:06 AM ET
WASHINGTON - Despite the wall-to-wall coverage of the damage from Hurricane Katrina, nearly one-third of young Americans recently polled couldn't locate Louisiana on a map and nearly half were unable to identify Mississippi.
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Americans between the ages of 18 and 24 fared even worse with foreign locations: six in 10 couldn't find Iraq, according to a Roper poll conducted for National Geographic.
"Geographic illiteracy impacts our economic well-being, our relationships with other nations and the environment, and isolates us from the world," National Geographic president John Fahey said in announcing a program to help remedy the problem. It's hoping to enlist businesses, nonprofit groups and educators in a bid to improve geographic literacy.
Planned is a five-year, multimedia campaign called My Wonderful World that will target children 8 to 17. The goal is to motivate parents and educators to expand geographic offerings in school, at home and in their communities.
They will have their task cut out for them, judging by the results of the survey of 510 people interviewed in December and January.
Among the findings:
� One-third of respondents couldn't pinpoint Louisiana on a map and 48 percent were unable to locate Mississippi.
� Fewer than three in 10 think it important to know the locations of countries in the news and just 14 percent believe speaking another language is a necessary skill.
� Two-thirds didn't know that the earthquake that killed 70,000 people in October 2005 occurred in Pakistan.
� Six in 10 could not find Iraq on a map of the Middle East.
� While the outsourcing of jobs to India has been a major U.S. business story, 47 percent could not find the Indian subcontinent on a map of Asia.
� While Israeli-Palestinian strife has been in the news for the entire lives of the respondents, 75 percent were unable to locate Israel on a map of the Middle East.
� Nearly three-quarters incorrectly named English as the most widely spoken native language.
� Six in 10 did not know the border between North and South Korea is the most heavily fortified in the world. Thirty percent thought the most heavily fortified border was between the United States and Mexico.
Joining in the effort to improve geographic knowledge will be the 4-H, American Federation of Teachers, Asia Society, Association of American Geographers, National Basketball Association, National Council of La Raza, National PTA, Smithsonian Institution and others.
"Geography exposes children and adults to diverse cultures, different ideas and the exchange of knowledge from around the world," said Anna Marie Weselak, president of the National PTA. "This campaign will help make sure our children get their geography � so they can become familiar with other cultures during their school years and move comfortably and confidently in a global economy as adults."
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I'll tell you why....because our F#*(ed up nation is too busy trying to teach a test rather than teach material. That's why. I hate the system with a passion. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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America is like Korea in their education about geography, history and culture.
Social Studies is more about themselves than about the world (or is about the world that is their part of their country). |
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Trespasser
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
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Unfortunately, where I live it is not a required course in high school or college/university. I can't figure out why high schools insist on maintaining their ineffective "physical education" classes while failing to see the importance of knowing where the heck states and countries are. It is more politically correct to tell a bunch of fat children who have just been allowed to inhaled pizza and cheetos to go run a lap than study a map. It truly is disturbing that a generation of stupid children is being raised. I find it embarassing and disgraceful.
Add to this the apathy of students in general. So many adults whine and carry on about how much homework their children have to do. The parents are too busy working to keep up with the Joneses to help their kids with homework or to even check it. Children's intrinsic motivation for learning is compromised by their parent's abysmal values. Can someone explain to me why a brand new car/bigger house/latest cell phone is more important than a child's education. (Sorry for the ranting) |
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patchy
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
Why Patchy! I thought you would be in the DPRK by now.
Hey Patchy visit tibet and talK to a Tibetan ok. then write something that is not a regurgatation of Beijing propaganda.
But the subject is Americans lack of knowledge of geography. No excuse for this. I would say that the poll's sample was too small.
the U.S.A has great university's but a mess in the public schools. Also who were the respondents of the poll and where was it done. Saying an American is very vague. We have so many immigrants and such variety in the U.S. Also education varies greatly from region to region.
Two areas the U.S. is definitely lacking is in learning foreign languages and geography but i do not think not knowing where REgina is is going to kill anyone.
The U.S. is a big target and easy to pick on. Full of dumb uneducated people and also a lot of very bright extremely well educated people. Most Americans really do not understand America.
So there is no answer to this.
About Tibet ;Patchy do not talk about something you know nothing about!
Still unsure why you are not in the workers paradise of the North! |
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=56800&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75
Unconditional Support to North Koreans
rollo wrote: |
"The benevolence of Kim Sung Il's state. A half a million Koreans fled to the South to escape the benevolence of this monster. Hey Patchy have you ever read up on the Taegu massacre? Kim ordered men women children murdered not for anything they had done but for what they had not done which was to welcome and support his troops. It was also a gesture to intimidate the population into supporting him." |
Taegu Massacre
May 7, 1951
On Feb. 12, after on-the-spot courts-martial, R.O.K. soldiers executed 187 alleged Communist collaborators at Shinwon, a village 40 miles southwest of Taegu. The legalized massacre was hushed up for a month, then a National Assembly committee investigated. Last week, President Syngman Rhee published the committee's report, took appropriate action. He fired his Minister of Defense, Sihn Sung Mo, Home Affairs, Chough Byong Ok, and Justice, Kim Jeum Yin, for their "responsibility" in the affair.
http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,856751,00.html |
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