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| Who would you LEAST like to win the WC? |
| Brazil |
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10% |
[ 8 ] |
| France |
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12% |
[ 9 ] |
| Germany |
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8% |
[ 6 ] |
| Italy |
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6% |
[ 5 ] |
| South Korea |
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40% |
[ 30 ] |
| USA |
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10% |
[ 8 ] |
| Australia |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Iran |
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1% |
[ 1 ] |
| England |
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6% |
[ 5 ] |
| Saudi Arabia |
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4% |
[ 3 ] |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Yea franchises piss me off as well. They have no real identity and can't associat with the community. I support Watford in England, grew up supporting thing and know they'll always be there until the day I die, unlike an MLS team which might up and leave just because they don't get enough fans in a city. |
Yep, all true. All the MLS teams are corporate creations instead of people creations. European, South American clubs were formed at a local community level by people that identified with it. Even a club that might be 10 years old in Europe but which went from the lowest levels to the top level will have more of an identity than a corporate created club from the MLS. Take a club like DC United. United actually has a meaning. Its not just a cool sounding name. Correct me if Im wrong but United was used as a name when there was a fusion of clubs. Two clubs that became one and hence the name United. In America United was stolen because it sounded like Manchester United and so it could be marketed like McDonalds or Pizza Hut or Disney. Those so called American clubs are as fake as they come. |
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lawyertood
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul, Incheon and the World--working undercover for the MOJ
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 5:01 am Post subject: |
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| The team I would hate to see "win" the World Cup is the officiating crew. Let's hope for a well-played, fairly-called tournament and may the team that plays the best win. No matter where the teams are from, what traditions they have or don't have, I believe they all have the desire to win and that is enough for me. Here's to a great tournament and some exciting matches. |
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zappadelta
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| lawyertood wrote: |
| The team I would hate to see "win" the World Cup is the officiating crew. Let's hope for a well-played, fairly-called tournament and may the team that plays the best win. No matter where the teams are from, what traditions they have or don't have, I believe they all have the desire to win and that is enough for me. Here's to a great tournament and some exciting matches. |
Ditto. I like this approach. |
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PokerZero
Joined: 30 Apr 2006
Location: theultimatetrek.com/forum
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| I had to vote for Germany - just too many bad memories there. I don't think I could bear the heartbreak if they beat us in the semis again. Actually I need to check if that's possible - fingers crossed it isn't. |
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jurassic5
Joined: 02 Apr 2003
Location: PA
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| Those so called American clubs are as fake as they come. |
yeah...American clubs are so corporate and fake  Red Bull New York...curse you and your parent company!!
whats that red vodaphone team's name again?
anyways, in a capitalistic society, such as the USA....if your team isn't making money...your team is moving. makes sense to me. look at the Expos and now Marlins of MLB.
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| I support Watford in England, grew up supporting thing and know they'll always be there until the day I die, unlike an MLS team which might up and leave just because they don't get enough fans in a city. |
it's good you didn't grow up liking Wimbeldon FC...i mean, AFC Wimbeldon or Milton Keynes now? anyways, MLS teams have to move if they are making no money. It's a fact of sports culture in the states, your team makes no money...you fold or move. |
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4 months left
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| JLarter wrote: |
| Yea franchises piss me off as well. They have no real identity and can't associat with the community. I support Watford in England, grew up supporting thing and know they'll always be there until the day I die, unlike an MLS team which might up and leave just because they don't get enough fans in a city. |
Yep, all true. All the MLS teams are corporate creations instead of people creations. European, South American clubs were formed at a local community level by people that identified with it. Even a club that might be 10 years old in Europe but which went from the lowest levels to the top level will have more of an identity than a corporate created club from the MLS. Take a club like DC United. United actually has a meaning. Its not just a cool sounding name. Correct me if Im wrong but United was used as a name when there was a fusion of clubs. Two clubs that became one and hence the name United. In America United was stolen because it sounded like Manchester United and so it could be marketed like McDonalds or Pizza Hut or Disney. Those so called American clubs are as fake as they come. |
That's because nobody gives a crap about soccer in North America. It falls somewhere between skateboarding and professional eating.
Until the diving and players rolling on the ground like they've been shot stops, it will never be taken serioulsly. If somebody is faking, the other team should get a penalty.
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Until the diving and players rolling on the ground like they've been shot stops, it will never be taken serioulsly. |
I thought it was because it didn't fit the TV commercial slots?
(but I agree about dives and penalties) |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Until the diving and players rolling on the ground like they've been shot stops, it will never be taken serioulsly. |
I thought it was because it didn't fit the TV commercial slots?
(but I agree about dives and penalties) |
Yeah. I voted Brazil because of that. |
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indytrucks
Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: The Shelf
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Until the diving and players rolling on the ground like they've been shot stops, it will never be taken serioulsly. |
I thought it was because it didn't fit the TV commercial slots?
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That, and the average attention span of your average North American sport fan isn't conducive for the beautiful game ... it's about 30 seconds, or the time it takes for a "play" in American football or for some bloke to scratch his crotch in baseball. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Until the diving and players rolling on the ground like they've been shot stops, it will never be taken serioulsly. |
I thought it was because it didn't fit the TV commercial slots?
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That, and the average attention span of your average North American sport fan isn't conducive for the beautiful game ... it's about 30 seconds, or the time it takes for a "play" in American football or for some bloke to scratch his crotch in baseball. |
Which is exactly the reason why it isnt popular. I mean look at basketball, theres LENTY of faking in that sport, but no one ever says anything bad about it like they do about soccer. Every game Americans like is divided into little segments that last a few seconds. In basketball its about 30 seconds to score. In football its about 10 seconds of continuous play. Soccer is a game where you have to concentrate for 45 minutes. Its something the MTV generation can do. |
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4 months left
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| indytrucks wrote: |
| Wangja wrote: |
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| Until the diving and players rolling on the ground like they've been shot stops, it will never be taken serioulsly. |
I thought it was because it didn't fit the TV commercial slots?
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That, and the average attention span of your average North American sport fan isn't conducive for the beautiful game ... it's about 30 seconds, or the time it takes for a "play" in American football or for some bloke to scratch his crotch in baseball. |
Which is exactly the reason why it isnt popular. I mean look at basketball, theres LENTY of faking in that sport, but no one ever says anything bad about it like they do about soccer. Every game Americans like is divided into little segments that last a few seconds. In basketball its about 30 seconds to score. In football its about 10 seconds of continuous play. Soccer is a game where you have to concentrate for 45 minutes. Its something the MTV generation can do. |
There is not nearly the amount of faking in basketball that there is in soccer. In basketball or hockey if you continuosly fake, your teamates pull you aside and let you know about it and you lose respect quickly.
How much of a soccer game is spent with someone walking with the ball? Most soccer games have little action. Try watching hockey, see how slow it is - 45 second shifts a full tilt. Soccer..run a bit, stop, walk and watch the other guys play. |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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I'm speaking for myself here, but most Americans will probably agree.
We just like to score more. |
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indytrucks
Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: The Shelf
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Most soccer games have little action. |
This must be coming from someone who obviously did not watch the FA Cup final last Saturday, or the Champions League final last season. |
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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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US Soccer has a major monkey on it's back this go around. They are expected to do well and to carry the sport to the next level. Relax folks, the sport still growing. We need more soccer moms!
I actually saw one of the first MLS matches back in the '90s when Kansas City opened at home their first year in operation. The Wiz even won a championship or 2 when Preki played for 'em. I used to love Preki. I used to like another MLS guy from Colombia, Valderama, or whatever, when he played for another team.
The MLS is beginning to build their first stadiums. This World Cup is expected to bring more viewership and exposure to the U.S. game. All I'm saying is don't count the U.S. out yet. They are well-coached and experienced. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| 4 months left wrote: |
| Most soccer games have little action. |
This must be coming from someone who obviously did not watch the FA Cup final last Saturday, or the Champions League final last season. |
Once again a devolving soccer talk.
I'll settle the argument and be roundly ignored (and I promise I won't post anything negative on this thread again because it's a thread for soccer types to enjoy and not us others to slam).
Anybody who watches hockey or basketball will never believe that soccer is a fast game with much action.
Having said that, I don't think it's a bad game and I even settled myself in to enjoy it in 2002, but the nancy boys diving all over the field was sad and my enjoyment didn't last.
Hence, I voted Brazil in this poll because when Ronaldinho had the ball tapped into his legs and grabbed his face and rolled around he epitomized the the nancy boy image. |
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