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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 10:02 am Post subject: Gambling for kids |
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VANCOUVER -- The gambling industry is focusing on new markets with a poker tour for kids and bookies taking bets on the sex of Britney Spears' next child.
Kids can learn the fundamentals of Texas Hold'em at a two-day event planned for June in Vancouver, and organizers claim math and communications skills are beneficial byproducts.
"We're busy trying to keep up with the amount of inquiries," says Larry Klatt, a spokesman for Nevada North's Kids Poker Tour, who is based in Vancouver.
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But few seem to be willing to wait and see how kids will handle gambling.
B.C. Solicitor General John Les says the Kids Poker Tour is unconscionable. "I think this is inappropriate. I think this is targeting a vulnerable population," says Les.
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I hate gambling, and never do it anymore. But when I was a kid, we were allowed to buy lottery tickets, and our parents used to let us play cards with the adults for money, and participate in the family football pool. So while I think this gambling-for-kids tour is a bad idea, I'm having a tough time coming up with a reason for thinking that.
http://www.ottawasun.com/News/National/2006/05/14/1578807-sun.html |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 10:33 am Post subject: Re: Gambling for kids |
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"Gambling-for-kids tour" -- why "tour"? What exactly are the kids "touring"? And where is it? Vancouver?
At first glance, I had some vague, preposterous image of little Canuckleheads being flown to Vegas for a "tour" of the Strip. Yeah, the hotel casinos would comp 'em $2K each in gambling funds, set up kiddie-blackjack & junior-craps tables, get 'em sorted out with hookers, spot 'em a few packs of smokes. One hell of a learning experience! ("Hello, Mom? Yeah, it's me again. Look, stop crying and listen to me. Big Louie says either you wire more cash now or I won't graduate. ") |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: Gambling for kids |
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VANCOUVER -- The gambling industry is focusing on new markets with a poker tour for kids and bookies taking bets on the sex of Britney Spears' next child.
Kids can learn the fundamentals of Texas Hold'em at a two-day event planned for June in Vancouver, and organizers claim math and communications skills are beneficial byproducts.
"We're busy trying to keep up with the amount of inquiries," says Larry Klatt, a spokesman for Nevada North's Kids Poker Tour, who is based in Vancouver.
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But few seem to be willing to wait and see how kids will handle gambling.
B.C. Solicitor General John Les says the Kids Poker Tour is unconscionable. "I think this is inappropriate. I think this is targeting a vulnerable population," says Les.
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I hate gambling, and never do it anymore. But when I was a kid, we were allowed to buy lottery tickets, and our parents used to let us play cards with the adults for money, and participate in the family football pool. So while I think this gambling-for-kids tour is a bad idea, I'm having a tough time coming up with a reason for thinking that.
http://www.ottawasun.com/News/National/2006/05/14/1578807-sun.html |
I can think of one huge, very good reason for thinking it is a bad idea- gambling is addictive and destroys lives. This is not just a personal opinion, it is a pretty well accepted fact. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Desultude is right: it's a dangerous and addictive vice, even for adults. Bad idea deliberately bringing it to children. |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 12:02 am Post subject: |
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Ditto the above two posters.
And you've got to love that line -- "math and communication skills are beneficial byproducts"... of hands-on gambling tours for kids!!!?? Good Lord, who could say that with a straight face?? Not me, and Korea's sharpened my acting skills to an Oscar-winning calibre. Why not take them on a tour of whorehouses, where "understanding of human anatomy, negotiation skills, and personal financial management" are sure to be among the many beneficial byproducts? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 3:48 am Post subject: |
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Desultude is right: it's a dangerous and addictive vice, even for adults. Bad idea deliberately bringing it to children. |
Does that include bingo? As I recall, bingo was pretty ubiquitous among my peers when I was a kid. We played it in organized sessions at campgrounds and stuff. But according to this pro-gambling website, bingo can be very addictive:
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Although you don�t often hear about compulsive gamblers playing bingo, anyone reading this column undoubtedly knows of someone who is, in fact, addicted to bingo. And bingo addicts do not go to low-stakes, once-a-week church basement games, unless they�re the only game in town. The 16-hour-a-day games are the greatest danger to bingo players� financial and physical health.
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I can't remember if we ever played bingo for money, but even if we didn't, I doubt the kids at the "Gambling Tour" will be playing for cash either.
Anyway, I'm kind of a strike against the theory that youthful exposure to gambling leads to a life of addiction, because I haven't wagered any money on anything since I lost twelve bucks on the ponies when I was 19. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 1:15 am Post subject: |
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I can only speak from experience. I've lost thousands (millions in Korea) and also made thousands (millions in Korea). Not bragging, just that I have and continue to have some perspective / bird's eye view, on this issue.
I see many who can handle it, sooooo many who can't and that it becomes destructive. I look across the table at the same faces , night after night and can see those who have the eager eye and those who are there to have fun and play within their own limits.
What I mean is that much like the issue of violence on TV, there is no direct link, no direct path and association. It is not at all sure that one leads to adult violence/sociopathy. What we can be sure of, is that our guts tell us that it just isn't that good. Forget the money, the health issues, the violence that happens -- it is just a terrible waste of time!!!!!! No life in it, it is limp, flaccid, lifeless....both watching TV violence and gaming.
So should it be banned? No! But I do think it should be curbed, pruned and contained by society. Like cigarette smoking. don't fight it with a moralistic ban but by the offering of healthy alternatives and containing its ability to "grab" the young.
Sorry if my words are incoherent. I do like playing and gambling. I do it regularly. I can handle it. But I do know of so many others who can't. Selling it to the young is just wrong, even if they never grow up to be addicted gamblers. This is one issue, I think the politicians should be taking out their pens and signing off against, through laws.......
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 3:35 am Post subject: |
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Gopher wrote: |
Desultude is right: it's a dangerous and addictive vice, even for adults.
Bad idea deliberately bringing it to children. |
Agreed.
As with a LOT of things in this world, the key here of course is to "get em' while they're young"  |
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Woland
Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 3:51 am Post subject: |
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What's scary is that possibly someday we'll be reading about the 'Tiger Woods' of the professional poker tour, whose parents got him/her started early on this great career opportunity via the kids' gambling tour. Of course, they won't have done it for the potential moneary gain, but to build up junior's math and communication skills.l |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 5:15 am Post subject: |
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Ddeubel wrote:
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So should it be banned? No! But I do think it should be curbed, pruned and contained by society. Like cigarette smoking. don't fight it with a moralistic ban but by the offering of healthy alternatives and containing its ability to "grab" the young.
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Well, let's take your "smoking" comparison to its logical conclusion, then.
I think most of us, these days, would regard parents who allowed their 13-year olds to smoke as deserving major social ostracization, if not a visit from the child welfare authorities.
Do you think that parents who allow their thirteen year old to toss five bucks into the annual football pool should be treated in the same way?
I guess what I'm getting at here is: are we really serious about this "no gambling for kids" thing, or are we just jumping on the bandwagon because it's some big bad corporation making money off of it? |
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jinglejangle

Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Location: Far far far away.
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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I think this is bad, but not real bad. Improve math skills? Maybe not, but it could certainly be used to show them an interesting practical application of math and give them practice running numbers in their little noggins. That is, IF someone taught them how to apply it.
Overall though I think it's a bad idea. We played poker when I was young, but it came with some stern lectures about the dangers of gambling more than you care to lose.
I seriously doubt that that will be the major message these kids will be recieving at a casino sponsered event. No. Don't point some article to the contrary please. I've read a bit of poker lit, and spent a bit of time in casinos. I know that they make their token statements about problem gambling and the dangers of addiction; but that's a small drop in a large bucket compared to all the glitz, and all the articles about making money off poker.
Sincerely, a now contentedly sporadic poker player. |
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On the other hand
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the reply, JJ.
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Overall though I think it's a bad idea. We played poker when I was young, but it came with some stern lectures about the dangers of gambling more than you care to lose.
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Yeah, I always knew that my parents didn't approve of excessive gambling, but I don't recall getting any lectures along those lines when we were actually gambling(or play gambling). I'm pretty sure I never heard anything about that when I bought lottery tickets, which I did semi-frequently as a kid. (I think it's illegal for kids to buy them now.)
I suppose it could be like drinking. Most people don't care if parents let their underage kids have a glass of wine now and then, but if the liquor companies were setting up mock bars serving fake drinks to kids, that would be a different story.
Then again, there seems to be more of a trend toward regulating domestic behavior these days, so maybe some people would get riled about kids drinking/gambling at home.
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Don't point some article to the contrary please. |
My reason for posting the article about bingo was not to prove that the gambling lobby cares about gambling addiction, but to show that even they admit that bingo is addictive, even though its a game kids have traditionally been allowed to play.
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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jinglejangle wrote: |
I know that they make their token statements about problem gambling and the dangers of addiction; but that's a small drop in a large bucket compared to all the glitz, and all the articles about making money off poker. |
Agreed, it's a bad idea. But if it somehow came into being, then I think the "tour" should include a tour of the pawnshops, the gambling addiction counselling centres, the skid row of fleabag hotels, and interviews with derelicts who've lost their savings, jobs, marriages, etc. due to their addiction. For a time, Korea's largest off-line auction house was (is?) the one near the casino in Gangwon Province. Husbands would sell their Rolex watches, gold rings, their daughters' imported violins, cars, motorcycles... |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 3:24 am Post subject: |
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Far as I can see it's a one time thing. I don't see where people are coming off claiming that it's going to destroy young lives. Unless it was being held regularly (which doesn't appear to be the case) ONCE is not going to foster a life-long addiction. It takes a lot longer and a lot more exposure.
That said I disagree with gambling and don't think it's a good idea for anyone, least of all children. |
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