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Sooke
Joined: 12 Jan 2004
Location: korea
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| He had a thick wad of money he wasn't afraid to flash in the bar (in true Canadian fashion). |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 5:02 am Post subject: |
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| Untrue. LEgalized drugs in Holland have lower rates of usage than in the US. |
You are comparing two different countries and cultures, with a massively different population and land mass.
Just to make my point, I support decriminalization of Marijuana in Canada for users (but not dealers). I am just showing another side of the issue. I think abuse, does not mean 'user'. Problem is, nobody knows what would happen if it became legalized. Maybe there wouldn't be a problem, or maybe you would have a thousands of people smoking it before school and work everyday. And while it doesn't physically hurt you in the short run, it does affect your work ethic and motivation. I have seen many people who lost all desire to do anything other than smoke pot. These would be abusers. What's the best thing that could happen? I don't know, but there are always two very viable options to be thought of very closely before any decisions are made. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 5:08 am Post subject: |
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Yah, you gotta love those Dutch. Hehe ... was in fact just watching Cheech & Chong's "Next Movie" the other day. A lot of it still cracks me up 
Weird thing is, when i visited Amsterdam in 99' noone even seemed to know who these guys were 
Anyways, from what i understand, the establishment's phony reefer "madness" propaganda campaign really took * ahem * "a hit" when Trudeau ( RIP ) allowed Vietnam draft dodgers to take up residence in the Great White North.
As with most forms of "prohibition" it's a purely criminal agenda which keeps pot under wraps. i.e. Ironic as it is, the greatest crime is the law itself 
Having said this, i DO quite strongly feel that information & awareness ought to be generated given the mind-boggling strength of modren hydroponic bud. Wheel-chair weed indeed, one or two little hits off the pipe is more than sufficient; temperance remains the key 
DRINK UP SHRINERS !!! |
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canuck in Ansan
Joined: 27 Jul 2005
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I've smoked pot a couple of times. I don't like it, it just doesn't do much for me. I think its fine if you like to smoke recreationally, but I think its pathetic when people have to rely on it to be able to sleep at night. Sorry, that's just my opinion.
It seems from the responses so far that the 90% was a little over the top. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Lizara wrote: |
I'm Canadian and I've never smoked pot...
Most Canadians I've met have, though. At my last hagwon here they used to talk about it longingly all the time. It was kind of annoying. |
Me too. I've been at parties where I've passed joints and hash cigarettes down the line but never partaken myself. That said, keeping it illegal is a ridiculous waste of time and police resources. What I don't get, however, is people who come here knowing it's strictly forbidden and then *beep* and moaning about not having any. There's a very good reason why I'll never live in Saudi Arabia, and if potheads can't avoid Korea for the same reason I have very little sympathy. |
You're a second-hand smoker. |
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TheFonz
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: North Georgia
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:13 am Post subject: |
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| I agree with Bill Hicks on this issue. The main reason pot isn't legal is because anyone can grow it. Of course the government would legalize it if they could make money off of it. Pot being illegal is hypocrisy. Alcohol and Tobacco are more addictive and deadly than pot yet they are legal. You should listen to one of Bill Hick's rants on this issue. He uses comedy to illustrate some valid points. |
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christopher
Joined: 14 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree with Bill Hicks on this issue. The main reason pot isn't legal is because anyone can grow it. Of course the government would legalize it if they could make money off of it. Pot being illegal is hypocrisy. Alcohol and Tobacco are more addictive and deadly than pot yet they are legal. You should listen to one of Bill Hick's rants on this issue. He uses comedy to illustrate some valid points. |
"They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high, you can do everything you normally do just as well ... you just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference."
I think this quote of his sums up how I feel on the topic.
"My final point about alchohol, about drugs, about Pornography...What business is it of your's what I do, read, buy, see or take into my body as long as I don't harm another human being whilst on this planet? And for those of you having a little moral dilemna on how to answer this, I'll answer for you. NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS!! Take that to the bank, cash it and take it on a vacation outta my fucking life. And stop bringing shotguns to UFO sightings, they might be here to pick me up and take me with 'em." |
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re:cursive
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| ajgeddes wrote: |
| What's the best thing that could happen? |
We would be one step closer to having a situation where people legally have the right to choose what they do with their own bodies and their own minds. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Just to clear things up a bit. I didn't mean 90 percent of Canadians, just 90 percent of the ones I've met here or in other Asian countries. Also, I am not interested in the arguments for or against pot, I've heard them all before, I think. My question is simply, "Why is pot so important to so many Canadians?" I don't feel this question has really been answered yet. I'm just curious. The fact that so many Canadians I've met use pot doesn't matter to me. I think extolling the virtues of pot to students is a bit inappropriate, though. |
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hermes.trismegistus
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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Martin Booth, in Cannabis: A History traces cannabis cultivation back to around 5,000BCE.
If you think cannabis reduces motivation, that doesn't seem to be the case at all. Motivation for activities gets passed through a more encompassive rubric.
I've known plenty of college professors who smoked more than I did (as an associate professor). They managed to hold stable jobs, perform cognitive back-flips, produce academic literature, and stay on-top of their field.
Unfortunately, what you usually see can be described as ignorant consumption. Escapism.
Leary suggested we educate people on how to use their brains as well as their substances of choice (delineating between angry/turn off [alchohol, H, opium] and supportive/turn on [LSD, psychedelics]). I'd love to see classes teaching people how to use these substances effectively. It would undoubtedly reduce the amount of rampant neurosis we have in our societies. Indeed, we can even create new imprints - a feat unmatched by any other method.
I'd say a lot of the problems we witness in Asia root back to the lack of a psychedelic revolution.
Granted, I do have membership in NORML and even spoke at January's LSD convention in Basel, so I do have an unequivocal agenda.
Namaste. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| flakfizer wrote: |
| My question is simply, "Why is pot so important to so many Canadians?" |
Probably because it's one of the few differences between our two countries, and any little difference like that gets championed as a symbol of national pride. |
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Free World
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Location: Drake Hotel
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I think extolling the virtues of pot to students is a bit inappropriate, though. |
I enjoy pot as much as the next guy but I would never talk about it with students. I teach kids, but even with university students I don't think a person of authority should encourage drug use. I know that I had pothead professors in school and, back then, it would have been great to smoke up with them but they were more ethical for sure. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Untrue. LEgalized drugs in Holland have lower rates of usage than in the US. |
You are comparing two different countries and cultures, with a massively different population and land mass.
Just to make my point, I support decriminalization of Marijuana in Canada for users (but not dealers). I am just showing another side of the issue. I think abuse, does not mean 'user'. Problem is, nobody knows what would happen if it became legalized. |
Your point about different population and land mass is moot. The key is proportionality. When you talk percentages all differences in population size become irrelevant. And unless you can point out a specific reason why things would be different in the US, I think that you can indeed predict the results of legalising pot in the US by looking at Holland. Holland has not shown any of the social ills that anti pot people predict. And there is no evidence to suggest it would be any different in the US. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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I don't see any problem debating (not preaching) marijuana to students at the University level or higher.
Korean's and most people in the world have been feed so much b.s. about ganga that they should be shown alternative points of view to widen their opinion.
I remember talking to my Japanese friend about marijuana and he was so convinced that it was the most dangerous drug in the world. Man, WTF!?
It's funny because his country (as well as Korea) has a long history with hemp as well as cannibis. |
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daz1979
Joined: 29 Apr 2006
Location: Gangwon-Do
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| ajgeddes wrote: |
| During my life (I am Canadian) I have smoked pot twice, but once was only quickly and 'I didn't inhale",! |
Is this Tony Blair??? |
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