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funkywinkerbeans
Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Location: seoul
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Nothing wrong with discussing whether drugs should be legalized with adults and maybe could be brought up in classes of high school students when dealing with critical thinking and social policies. Obviuosly wrong to be advocating drug legalization to younger students..
As for pot making you lethargic, I have to disagree. I worked back in Vancouver with a guy who had the nickname, "Road Runner" because he was such a fast worker. He was constantly stoned. He smoked before work, at work, and on the way home from work. Probably not the smartest thing to be doing, but the guy sure could work. |
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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Location: Yongsan
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Is this Tony Blair??? |
I thought the quotation marks made things obvious, but actually it was Bill Clinton, and it was a joke.
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| Your point about different population and land mass is moot. The key is proportionality. When you talk percentages all differences in population size become irrelevant. And unless you can point out a specific reason why things would be different in the US, I think that you can indeed predict the results of legalising pot in the US by looking at Holland. Holland has not shown any of the social ills that anti pot people predict. And there is no evidence to suggest it would be any different in the US. |
So, by this logic (correct me if I am wrong) if you legalized guns in the Netherlands, the murder rate would skyrocket to that of the United States? |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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I don't see any problem debating (not preaching) marijuana to students at the University level or higher.
Korean's and most people in the world have been feed so much b.s. about ganga that they should be shown alternative points of view to widen their opinion.
I remember talking to my Japanese friend about marijuana and he was so convinced that it was the most dangerous drug in the world. Man, WTF!?
It's funny because his country (as well as Korea) has a long history with hemp as well as cannibis. |
Yeah, I was friends with a guy from China and in university when I was telling him stories about my friends' excessive drug use, he would say one of the following:
"Marijuana? Isn't that the drug that sends you into a homicidal rampage?"
"Shrooms? Isn't that the drug that sends you into a homicidal rampage?"
"Acid? Isn't that the drug that sends you into a homicidal rampage?" |
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Unreal
Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Location: Jeollabuk-do
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| Apparently the connection between being Canadian and smoking pot is so strong that if you don't smoke it, your very citizenship could be thrown into question. I was accused (by a Korean-Canadian who took the risk of smuggling some into Korea for a month-long trip) of not being a "real Canadian" because I didn't want to smoke pot with him. |
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| ajgeddes wrote: |
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| Is this Tony Blair??? |
I thought the quotation marks made things obvious, but actually it was Bill Clinton, and it was a joke.
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| Your point about different population and land mass is moot. The key is proportionality. When you talk percentages all differences in population size become irrelevant. And unless you can point out a specific reason why things would be different in the US, I think that you can indeed predict the results of legalising pot in the US by looking at Holland. Holland has not shown any of the social ills that anti pot people predict. And there is no evidence to suggest it would be any different in the US. |
So, by this logic (correct me if I am wrong) if you legalized guns in the Netherlands, the murder rate would skyrocket to that of the United States? |
It would definitely rise up sharply. It wouldnt necessarily reach the same staggering level though because of other complicating factors like poverty, which by the way, is non existant in Holland because of the progressive social structure.
I'm not suggesting every single variable is mappable to any other country. But I'm suggesting in the case of pot that there is no complicating factor that I can think of that would make the situation significantly different. In the US a significant proportion of the population already smokes, and I don't think you'd see a significant raise in that. The people who are inclined to smoke it are the types who are not repelled by it's illegality. What you would see though, is huge amounts of funds suddenly available for the police to put into more meaningful avenues, and a rise in the level of trust and respect between cops and citizens. You would also see the price come way down and the organised crime element fade away as the profits would dissapear, leading to a reduction in violence. |
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| Unreal wrote: |
| Apparently the connection between being Canadian and smoking pot is so strong that if you don't smoke it, your very citizenship could be thrown into question. I was accused (by a Korean-Canadian who took the risk of smuggling some into Korea for a month-long trip) of not being a "real Canadian" because I didn't want to smoke pot with him. |
That's "Unreal" maing...  |
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4 months left

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 4:05 am Post subject: |
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Some people are addicted to alocohol.
Some people are addicted to gambling.
Some people are addicted to smoking cigarettes.
Some people are addicted to unhealthy food.
Some people are addicted to pot.
Most people are NOT addicted to pot. I'd say that alcohol, gambling, obesity and smoking cigarettes causes more social, health and family problems than pot ( pot you can make into butter so you don't have to smoke it.) Usually a husband doesn't beat on his wife or kids after smoking a spliff, can't say the same for a bottle of whiskey.
Most Canadians, along with Americans, Brits, Aussies and Kiwis, do it recreationally. I don't understand why Canadians are being painted with the pot stigma, I would say I've met a fairly equal percentage of pot smokers from all countries.
Some people just can't do things in moderation and become addicted. Pot is great for relaxing and doesn't give you a hangover in the morning.
I see nothing wrong discussing the subject with adult students. Whenever the topic comes up in class, inevitably most students say they would try it if visiting another country and they had the opportunity. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| Unreal wrote: |
| Apparently the connection between being Canadian and smoking pot is so strong that if you don't smoke it, your very citizenship could be thrown into question. I was accused (by a Korean-Canadian who took the risk of smuggling some into Korea for a month-long trip) of not being a "real Canadian" because I didn't want to smoke pot with him. |
Maybe I have been gone too long then... am I no longer a Canadian?
Seriously, I've never soked and never wanted to. Most of my friends haven't either.
Growing up in a neighborhood where most people did (along with verying degrees of substance abuse), it turned a lot of my generation off of it. |
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Nowhere Man

Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 5:13 am Post subject: ... |
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I'll call myself a Reagan-era American.
Going to college, I was straight as an arrow.
2nd day of orientation, my roommate says, "I don't mean to be up front with you, but have you ever done drugs?"
I was flabbergasted (that's a vague term, but that's what I was that day). I immediately began countting the days until I could request a roommate change.
He was like, "It's only pot and acid", "Nothing big".
It was HUGE to me.
But the idea of hallicinogens interested me. I wanted to hallucinate.
BUT, I hated mushrooms; for gastroeconomic reasons: No mushrooms on my pizza.
Finally friends convinced me that shrooming had nothing to do with the taste of mushrooms.
It doesn't. Rather, shrooming is how I thought I would feel high.
High is a plateau of you. It's another version of being drunk.
BUT, I would argue it's a bettter than drinking and driving.
On the other hand, *beep* marijuana.
Everyone should trip.
I'm not saying do it while you drive.
I''m just saying try it.
You've tried alcohol, haven't you?
Are mushrooms illegal?
LIFE IS ABOUT EXPERIENCE.
Try Mushrooms.
-the end |
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tiger fancini

Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Location: Testicles for Eyes
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| I'm sure Canadians smoke just as much weed as people from a number of other countries - errrrrr what was the question again? F**k it, have you got a light? |
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re:cursive
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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Are mushrooms illegal?
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From my understanding the Mushroom body itself is not technically illegal, however Psilocybin and Psilocin (the active substance in the majority of "magic" mushrooms) are scheduled substances in a lot of countries. There are exceptions and some areas of confusion ie. loopholes but I would say the majority of people visiting this forum, including the Canadians, come from countries where they are illegal cultivate, possess or consume.
Not sure about the legal status in Korea though. |
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re:cursive
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Granted, I do have membership in NORML and even spoke at January's LSD convention in Basel, so I do have an unequivocal agenda.
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I'm assuming this was the one for Albert Hoffman's 100th birthday.
Just out of curiosity....what was the topic of your discussion? |
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4 months left

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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New Study: Marijuana Users Less Depressed
http://www.mpp.org/releases/nr20051117.html
Study: Pot doesn't hurt thinking skills
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20030627-9999_7m27pot.html
Marijuana Myths, Marijuana Facts Lynn Zimmer and John Morgan. Marijuana Myths, Marijuana Facts: A Review of the Scientific Evidence, (New York: The Lindesmith Center, 1997).
http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/
MYTH: MARIJUANA'S HARMS HAVE BEEN PROVED SCIENTIFICALLY. In the 1960s and 1970s, many people believed that marijuana was harmless. Today we know that marijuana is much more dangerous than previously believed.
FACT: In 1972, after reviewing the scientific evidence, the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse concluded that while marijuana was not entirely safe, its dangers had been grossly overstated. Since then, researchers have conducted thousands of studies of humans, animals, and cell cultures. None reveal any findings dramatically different from those described by the National Commission in 1972. In 1995, based on thirty years of scientific research editors of the British medical journal Lancet concluded that "the smoking of cannabis, even long term, is not harmful to health."
MYTH: MARIJUANA IS HIGHLY ADDICTIVE. Long term marijuana users experience physical dependence and withdrawal, and often need professional drug treatment to break their marijuana habits.
FACT: Most people who smoke marijuana smoke it only occasionally. A small minority of Americans - less than 1 percent - smoke marijuana on a daily basis. An even smaller minority develop a dependence on marijuana. Some people who smoke marijuana heavily and frequently stop without difficulty. Others seek help from drug treatment professionals. Marijuana does not cause physical dependence. If people experience withdrawal symptoms at all, they are remarkably mild.
MYTH: MARIJUANA IS A GATEWAY DRUG. Even if marijuana itself causes minimal harm, it is a dangerous substance because it leads to the use of "harder drugs" like heroin, LSD, and cocaine.
FACT: Marijuana does not cause people to use hard drugs. What the gateway theory presents as a causal explanation is a statistic association between common and uncommon drugs, an association that changes over time as different drugs increase and decrease in prevalence. Marijuana is the most popular illegal drug in the United States today. Therefore, people who have used less popular drugs such as heroin, cocaine, and LSD, are likely to have also used marijuana. Most marijuana users never use any other illegal drug. Indeed, for the large majority of people, marijuana is a terminus rather than a gateway drug.
MYTH: MARIJUANA KILLS BRAIN CELLS. Used over time, marijuana permanently alters brain structure and function, causing memory loss, cognitive impairment, personality deterioration, and reduced productivity.
FACT: None of the medical tests currently used to detect brain damage in humans have found harm from marijuana, even from long term high-dose use. An early study reported brain damage in rhesus monkeys after six months exposure to high concentrations of marijuana smoke. In a recent, more carefully conducted study, researchers found no evidence of brain abnormality in monkeys that were forced to inhale the equivalent of four to five marijuana cigarettes every day for a year. The claim that marijuana kills brain cells is based on a speculative report dating back a quarter of a century that has never been supported by any scientific study.
MYTH: MARIJUANA CAUSES CRIME. Marijuana users commit more property offenses than nonusers. Under the influence of marijuana, people become irrational, aggressive, and violent.
FACT: Every serious scholar and government commission examining the relationship between marijuana use and crime has reached the same conclusion: marijuana does not cause crime. The vast majority of marijuana users do not commit crimes other than the crime of possessing marijuana. Among marijuana users who do commit crimes, marijuana plays no causal role. Almost all human and animal studies show that marijuana decreases rather than increases aggression.
MYTH: MARIJUANA IS MORE DAMAGING TO THE LUNGS THAN TOBACCO. Marijuana smokers are at a high risk of developing lung cancer, bronchitis, and emphysema.
FACT: Moderate smoking of marijuana appears to pose minimal danger to the lungs. Like tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke contains a number of irritants and carcinogens. But marijuana users typically smoke much less often than tobacco smokers, and over time, inhale much less smoke. As a result, the risk of serious lung damage should be lower in marijuana smokers. There have been no reports of lung cancer related solely to marijuana. However, because researchers have found precancerous changes in cells taken from the lungs of heavy marijuana smokers, the possibility of lung cancer from marijuana cannot be ruled out. Unlike heavy tobacco smokers, heavy marijuana smokers exhibit no obstruction of the lung's small airway. That indicates that people will not develop emphysema from smoking marijuana.
MYTH: MARIJUANA IS MORE POTENT TODAY THAN IN THE PAST. Adults who used marijuana in the 1960s and 1970s fail to realize that when today's youth use marijuana they are using a much more dangerous drug.
FACT: When today's youth use marijuana, they are using the same drug used by youth in the 1960s and 1970s. A small number of low-THC sample sized by the Drug Enforcement Administration are used to calculate a dramatic increase in potency. However, these samples were not representative of the marijuana generally available to users during this era. Potency data from the early 1980s to the present are more reliable, and they show no increase in the average THC content of marijuana. Even if marijuana potency were to increase, it would not necessarily make the drug more dangerous. Marijuana that varies quite substantially in potency produces similar psychoactive effects. |
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flakfizer

Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Yawn. More apologetics I've heard a billion times, and not at all an attempt to answer the original question. |
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doctor bacon
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Location: Vancouver Represent!
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| flakfizer wrote: |
| Yawn. More apologetics I've heard a billion times, and not at all an attempt to answer the original question. |
Just like invading other countries and bullying the world is part of American culture, smoking weed, chilling, and being open to other cultures is part of Canadian culture, especially in Vancouver, the weed capital of Canada. Just accept it and move on with your mundane life. |
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