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ilovebdt

Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 10:16 pm Post subject:

jacl wrote:

riley wrote:

my favorite bit of not getting info is when you aren't told that you have a special needs student in your class.
My first day at the school I was wondering what was up with this one boy. He couldn't do anything (literally) would constantly need to go to the bathroom, and such. Finally one of the other kids mention that he's "special". Turns out the boy has mental retardation. Later on, I had another class with a boy who was twitching and giving little shrieks and yells and even saying weird words. Because of the first boy, I was clued in on him, but until I asked his teacher if he had tourrette's no one told me about him. Those are such fun little surprises for the foriegn teacher.

Isn't that nice of them to tell you? Such thoughtful people.

Yes, isn't it. I was taking a first grade class last week. I am a meanie and if a student is sleeping I wake them up. Anyway, there was this girl sleeping on her desk and I went over to wake her up and my co-teacher pipes up that the student is sick.
Well, if she is sick why is she in class? Shocked

We have special needs kids at my school too, but, they have their own teacher and don't study English.

Ilovebdt

ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: Being informed about things at public school

jacl wrote:

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In the public school system as well as hakwons, last minute cancellations and changes are normal. Be thankful that UNLIKE hakwons, in the public school you do not have to make up for canceled classes.

Just how do you make up for a cancelled class in a hagwon?

You get to teach it at another time.... you have to fill up your full 30 teaching hours and the bosses have a long memory... no overtime for you.

ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 10:47 pm Post subject: Re: Being informed about things at public school

jacl wrote:

SirFink wrote:

tiger fancini wrote:

Thankfully my students are very helpful in this respect, and are pretty good at telling me where they're up to, but is this what I have to look forward to for the next 50 weeks??

I'm in the same boat. I'm learning to just roll with it. But try asking a bunch of first-graders who know only the alphabet "what page are you on?" Blank looks all round. It's not like the books, especially at that level, are much help. "A is for apple." Crap like that I can just make up on my own and frankly do it better than the books.

If you roll with it too much without complaining, they start to throw you around too much. I can't stand it when I get a "Ok, you have this class now" or you have a new student whose not introduced to you. I get a little irrate.

People, on the whole, are just not that thoughtful. It's getting close to a good month since the desks in my classroom (and probably the floor, too) have been cleaned. If there were a hose, I'd use it. Trust me.

You must work in a hakwon.

The classrooms are cleaned every day in our school. Kid crews are in at 8:30 and run for 30 minutes at the start of the day and again for 30 minutes after school. Different classes have different tasks but it all gets cleaned, wiped, washed, swept and mopped DAILY.

I have NEVER been specifically introduced to a new student in the public system. I have over 500 students that I see on a twice-a-week basis in my school. I wouldn't remember a new face anyway.

My classes never change (as in I always teach the same classes) and the times never change unless they get cancelled.

tiger fancini

Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes

Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 11:02 pm Post subject:

My desk is getting dusted as I am typing this! It still amazes me that students have to do this, but maybe I'll get used to it...? There would be no chance of this happening at home!

John Henry

Joined: 24 Sep 2004

Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 11:06 pm Post subject:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

So it turned out I was going to watch a teachers' volleyball tournament, not go on a field trip with my grade 1s. I was loaded in a car with the computer teacher and I figured this out as we were arriving at the school where it was taking place. Life at public school - we'll see what happens tomorrow.

What's up with public school teachers and their volleyball?

ilovebdt

Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject:

tiger fancini wrote:

My desk is getting dusted as I am typing this! It still amazes me that students have to do this, but maybe I'll get used to it...? There would be no chance of this happening at home!

You will.

Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004

Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 11:33 pm Post subject:

John Henry wrote:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

What's up with public school teachers and their volleyball?

They sure take it seriously for a bunch of mediocre, middle-aged men. Some of the teams even had their own uniforms. Fortunately we got knocked out in the first round and were off to eat and drink off the disappointment.

Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004

Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 11:36 pm Post subject:

ilovebdt wrote:

jacl wrote:

riley wrote:

Isn't that nice of them to tell you? Such thoughtful people.

We have special needs kids at my school too, but, they have their own teacher and don't study English.

Ilovebdt

Same thing at my school. Their parents or the dorm monitor will send them to class unless they've reached the point where they need hospitalisation. I've had some students who just looked to be in an absolutely pathetic state and wondered what they're supposed to be doing besides spreading germs.

copperpot

Joined: 25 Apr 2006

Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 1:00 am Post subject:

so we do actually have a day off on May 31st? that's tops. how good is may. and actually, i have a question for public school teachers. do you get paid extra for working in summer and winter camps? or is it just part of the contract? i've had a few conflicting opinions. thanks

jacl

Joined: 31 Oct 2005

Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 1:50 am Post subject: Re: Being informed about things at public school

ttompatz wrote:

jacl wrote:

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Just how do you make up for a cancelled class in a hagwon?

You get to teach it at another time.... you have to fill up your full 30 teaching hours and the bosses have a long memory... no overtime for you.

That's simply not true. If they don't give you 30 teaching hours within your contracted schedule, it's "too bad, so sad". If they want you to make up for classes then you don't get OT if you have 6 or less teaching hours in one day. You get OT for anything over 6 teaching hours daily and for anything outside the scope of your contracted schedule. They can't make you make up classes and not pay you OT if it is in fact OT.

If you're under contract to teach 30 hrs/wk, but you normally only teach 25 hours due to lack of students, then if you make up a missed class and teach 26 hours that week then of course it's not OT. That's if it's within the time frame of your schedule.

Right now, I'm teaching 29 hours/wk. We have a new teacher and I'm not doing any OT right now. I dont' have to make up for the lost hour. My schedule is 2 to 9. If there ever was a make-up class and I had to teach it at 9 until 10, I'd get OT. If I had to make up one class within the 2-9 time frame then my total hours would be 30 and no OT.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 2:13 am Post subject: Re: Being informed about things at public school

jacl wrote:

ttompatz wrote:

jacl wrote:

Quote:

Just how do you make up for a cancelled class in a hagwon?

You get to teach it at another time.... you have to fill up your full 30 teaching hours and the bosses have a long memory... no overtime for you.

(1) That's simply not true. If they don't give you 30 teaching hours within your contracted schedule, it's "too bad, so sad". If they want you to make up for classes then you don't get OT if you have 6 or less teaching hours in one day. You get OT for anything over 6 teaching hours daily and for anything outside the scope of your contracted schedule. They can't make you make up classes and not pay you OT if it is in fact OT.

(2) If you're under contract to teach 30 hrs/wk, but you normally only teach 25 hours due to lack of students, then if you make up a missed class and teach 26 hours that week then of course it's not OT. That's if it's within the time frame of your schedule.

(3) Right now, I'm teaching 29 hours/wk. We have a new teacher and I'm not doing any OT right now. I dont' have to make up for the lost hour. My schedule is 2 to 9. If there ever was a make-up class and I had to teach it at 9 until 10, I'd get OT. If I had to make up one class within the 2-9 time frame then my total hours would be 30 and no OT.

(numbers are mine)

1. So from your single experience at a single hakwon you are claiming this is not true? Nope. It depends on the hakwon. Some have make-up classes specifically mentioned in the contract. I'd never work at one of those...but some people I know have. These hakwons calculate your pay MONTHLY not weekly. If you didn't teach 120 hours in the month they CAN and DO give make-up classes. It's not OT if your monthly hours didn't equal 120 due to missed classes.

2. This is true

3. Make-up classes are NOT extra classes. They are regular classes within your regular schedule that you missed for whatever reason.

If you are only teaching 29 hours a week and that is your regular schedule, you don't have to worry about making up the extra hour, that's all right. But at some hakwons if you miss a class and have extra time within your schedule, they will schedule a make-up class somewhere within that time.

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