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PRagic
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Hotpants
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 1:20 am Post subject: |
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The 'law' bit won't make the slightest difference here if you're coming as a newbie teacher. Although, there are some positions which need law specialists - a legal patent firm, for example, sometimes advertises here looking for proofreaders. Some proofreading postions can pay higher than teaching positions.
You probably just have to accept the figure a school offers you. If you really want to negotiate, I have never met anyone who's managed to negotiate more than 200,000 above what the school initially offered, and only in those cases were they really experienced teachers and could justify their claim for more pay.
1.9-2.3 is the norm. Few of us strike it rich on first call... |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| I do. I have friends that are lawyers in the N. America, and I have N. American bar cerfified friends here teaching. |
http://www.ilrg.com/
According to number (iii) in this link, the average salary of a U.S FIRST-year associate in 2003 was $97,830. I doubt you make more than that.
As I said above. "I doubt that an English teacher or a lawyer here makes more money than a N. American lawyer"
And if they are bar certified what are they do here teaching? They spent all that time and money to get bar certified and then decided to chuck it all in favour of teaching in a foreign country for a lot less money?
Highly unlikely. |
Of course, not all lawyers work as associates at large law firms. Not to mention that those that do will be working well over a 40-hour week for that salary.
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Sidelines help lawyers keep their day jobs
By Emily Sweeney The Boston Globe
FRIDAY, MAY 12, 2006
After spending all day in court prosecuting accused criminals, John McLaughlin, an assistant district attorney in Plymouth, Massachusetts, often drives his 1998 Ford Explorer to a second job - at a funeral home in East Milton Square, a nearby town.
Suzanne Dunleavy, an assistant district attorney who also works in Plymouth, spends her nights and weekends teaching Irish step dancing classes for extra money.
Other cash-strapped prosecutors moonlight tending bar, wiping tables, mopping supermarket floors or painting houses. One drives the Zamboni resurfacing machine at a local ice rink.
The starting salary for assistant district attorneys in that city south of Boston is $35,000, about par for U.S. cities - and, say the young prosecutors, not enough to live on and pay off their law school loans, which can run into the tens of thousands of dollars.
While not all states keep such statistics, Massachusetts figures that 15 percent of all assistant district attorneys in the state work second jobs, according to a 2004 survey by the state District Attorneys Association.
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http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/05/12/yourmoney/mmanage13.php |
Good link but if only 15% or so work second jobs, it can't be that bad. According to the U.S Department of Labor (and I will post the link if you wish) the medial salary of law graduates only NINE months after graduation was $55000. Probably better than any ESL teacher on here (unless they do tons of privates).
I think average salaries are better to use as a yardstick than extremes at either end (like partners who make salaries in excess of half a million dollars) |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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Kind of comaring apples and oranges. What about comparing that median salary with an ESL teacher with their MA and a year of teaching experienc, then. One could easily get a university job, and then do a combination of editing, teaching, or testing-related activities on the side. In the end, they'll make more than 55K, won't pay near the taxes, and won't work near the amount of hours.
Don't forget that the teaching will only crowd the schedule roughly 7 months a year. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Good link but if only 15% or so work second jobs, it can't be that bad. According to the U.S Department of Labor (and I will post the link if you wish) the medial salary of law graduates only NINE months after graduation was $55000. Probably better than any ESL teacher on here (unless they do tons of privates).
I think average salaries are better to use as a yardstick than extremes at either end (like partners who make salaries in excess of half a million dollars) |
I don't want to argue this point, because no doubt most lawyers working in North America do earn more than English teachers in Korea, but nine months after graduation means nine months after finishing your J.D., not your B.A., which is the case for most English teachers here. Also, there probably are English teachers in Korea who legally earn more (and probably have less tuition debt) than an assistant D.A. in a major metropolitan area in the U.S. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| PRagic wrote: |
Kind of comaring apples and oranges. What about comparing that median salary with an ESL teacher with their MA and a year of teaching experienc, then. One could easily get a university job, and then do a combination of editing, teaching, or testing-related activities on the side. In the end, they'll make more than 55K, won't pay near the taxes, and won't work near the amount of hours.
Don't forget that the teaching will only crowd the schedule roughly 7 months a year. |
Isn't like 4 months the top Universities give? Besides even if you work at a good university it is pretty hard to average more than 3 million a month every month. I would say unless airfare is provided deduct that too.
Congratulations on doing well but I don't think the numbers are quite as good as that. If someone is going to make more than 3 million a month they are going to have to work very hard. Also for most private teaching is not exactly legal.
As a poster above said the average deal is about 1.9- 2.3 Million. You can add around 400.000 won to that if you do privates. |
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