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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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 Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not of the opinion that racism is simply the result of indoctrination. My mother is the most liberal, anti-racist person I've ever known, yet when I waS a young boy - 10 or 11 perhaps - I had my first ever racist moment. All my life I'd been indoctrinated that racism is just the worst thing ever. Yet, when on holiday in France, I was a victim of some aggression by a French boy. "F off, you stupid frog" followed from me, sadly. I actually regret it to this day, because deep down I know I'm not racist and know how wrong it is. Racism results from provocation. It's (a) easy and (b) extremely offensive and (c) results from spur-of-the-moment anger which we ALL experience. It's the first retaliatory weapon, often.
Let's take a crass example. I really don't particular like plastic Jews in America having an iron-grip on U.S. government elections and subsequent foreign policy. A single group of people have more power than they deserve in my private opinion (yours may differ). It makes me angry. So what do I do? Say something totally heinous, that's what! Makes me feel better.
I think even my lefty mother would have a racist thought if a black, German, what ever person did something horrible to her. She'd correct herself and think "Holy crap, I shouldn't have thought that" but it's something primitive and base, an instinct. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
I'm not of the opinion that racism is simply the result of indoctrination. My mother is the most liberal, anti-racist person I've ever known, yet when I waS a young boy - 10 or 11 perhaps - I had my first ever racist moment. All my life I'd been indoctrinated that racism is just the worst thing ever. Yet, when on holiday in France, I was a victim of some aggression by a French boy. "F off, you stupid frog" followed from me, sadly. I actually regret it to this day, because deep down I know I'm not racist and know how wrong it is. Racism results from provocation. It's (a) easy and (b) extremely offensive and (c) results from spur-of-the-moment anger which we ALL experience. It's the first retaliatory weapon, often.
Let's take a crass example. I really don't particular like plastic Jews in America having an iron-grip on U.S. government elections and subsequent foreign policy. A single group of people have more power than they deserve in my private opinion (yours may differ). It makes me angry. So what do I do? Say something totally heinous, that's what! Makes me feel better.
I think even my lefty mother would have a racist thought if a black, German, what ever person did something horrible to her. She'd correct herself and think "Holy crap, I shouldn't have thought that" but it's something primitive and base, an instinct. |
If you react with a racist comment after just ONE bad incident with a person from another race, then you definitely do have a problem. Don't be thinking you are normal though. If, on the other hand, it was the tenth time a French person had done this same thing to you, you might be more forgiven for forming a racist response. Wouldn't be any more desirable, but perhaps more understandable. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
I'm not of the opinion that racism is simply the result of indoctrination. My mother is the most liberal, anti-racist person I've ever known, yet when I waS a young boy - 10 or 11 perhaps - I had my first ever racist moment. All my life I'd been indoctrinated that racism is just the worst thing ever. Yet, when on holiday in France, I was a victim of some aggression by a French boy. "F off, you stupid frog" followed from me, sadly. I actually regret it to this day, because deep down I know I'm not racist and know how wrong it is. Racism results from provocation. It's (a) easy and (b) extremely offensive and (c) results from spur-of-the-moment anger which we ALL experience. It's the first retaliatory weapon, often.
Let's take a crass example. I really don't particular like plastic Jews in America having an iron-grip on U.S. government elections and subsequent foreign policy. A single group of people have more power than they deserve in my private opinion (yours may differ). It makes me angry. So what do I do? Say something totally heinous, that's what! Makes me feel better.
I think even my lefty mother would have a racist thought if a black, German, what ever person did something horrible to her. She'd correct herself and think "Holy crap, I shouldn't have thought that" but it's something primitive and base, an instinct. |
If you react with a racist comment after just ONE bad incident with a person from another race, then you definitely do have a problem. Don't be thinking you are normal though. If, on the other hand, it was the tenth time a French person had done this same thing to you, you might be more forgiven for forming a racist response. Wouldn't be any more desirable, but perhaps more understandable. |
Yeah, I'm probably a bit more highly-strung than most people, but even so, everyone does it to some degree if you ask me.
Some German says something about how stupid English people are because they can only speak English and are an incredibly ignorant nation, I'm more than happy to vindicate his view with "oh shut up, you effing sausage-sucker. I'd avoid cultural generalizations of any kind if my country had your country's history".
Some Korean says a Korean family would be unhappy if their daughter married a yongook saram...well, they're really asking for trouble. I actually like and respect Korea and Koreans a lot, but if someone's gonna say something like that, I'm perfectly entitled to ask "hang on a sec here, what's so good about your race exactly? When was the last white North American you met that's had slant-eyed eyelid surgery? Caucasian features are desirable. Korean features aren't I'm afraid".
If the latter paragraph qualifies as racism, so be it. But it's entirely defensive and results from others' stupidity.
I love other countries and cultures. I just wanna be everyone's friend. But if someone's gonna hate me, I'm gonna hate them back. |
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doctor bacon
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Vancouver Represent!
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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I've found that in Korea Canadians are the most tolerant people, whereas the Brits, Australians, South Africans and New Zealanders are bigots.
Americans are 50/50; one never knows with their kind. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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Guys,
there are some interestng views in this thread but the stuff about skinheads is boring as hell.
just thought you oughta know. |
It's more interesting than the essays some of you guys are posting. |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| doctor bacon wrote: |
I've found that in Korea Canadians are the most tolerant people, whereas the Brits, Australians, South Africans and New Zealanders are bigots.
Americans are 50/50; one never knows with their kind. |
What makes comedy-based irony so effective is the large amount stupidity-based irony in the world. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I really don't particular like plastic Jews in America having an iron-grip on U.S. government elections and subsequent foreign policy. |
Believing that the Jews have an 'iron-grip on U.S government elections' is actually a pretty racist assumption itself. In fact, it bears a striking similarity to neo-Nazi ideology. I'm not saying you're a Nazi, but it is a lazy and pretty ignorant thing to say. |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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Dammit Billybrobby, can you hurry up and write some more Yangpa articles? I am dying here.
doctor bacon is a troll and don't feed the trolls. |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| I really don't particular like plastic Jews in America having an iron-grip on U.S. government elections and subsequent foreign policy. |
Believing that the Jews have an 'iron-grip on U.S government elections' is actually a pretty racist assumption itself. In fact, it bears a striking similarity to neo-Nazi ideology. I'm not saying you're a Nazi, but it is a lazy and pretty ignorant thing to say. |
Like this?
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| Supporting democracy in any Muslim nation, and thinking that it will engender any kind of free, liberal society is a pipe dream. What you will simply get is Shariah, and a resurgence of Islam. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Believing 'the Jews' have an 'iron-clad' control of US elections and foreign policy is a well known anti-semitic conspiracy theory.
Making an observation that building democratic institutions in a Muslim nation will not lead to a free and tolerant society is a simple statement of fact. I am not surprised someone with your lack of intellect is not able to tell the difference between the two statements. |
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rothkowitz
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Jews control Hollywood,not govt. |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| bigverne wrote: |
Making an observation that building democratic institutions in a Muslim nation will not lead to a free and tolerant society is a simple statement of fact. |
That's not what you wrote, Joinville. And, do you really understand the meaning of the word fact?
FACT
Get back to me once you've got your head wrapped around it.
(But I am glad you found your way into this thread, fitting it is.) |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Making an observation that building democratic institutions in a Muslim nation will not lead to a free and tolerant society is a simple statement of fact.
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No, I wrote this:
Supporting democracy in any Muslim nation, and thinking that it will engender any kind of free, liberal society is a pipe dream. What you will simply get is Shariah, and a resurgence of Islam.
Which is essentially the same you pedantic tw@t.
Anyway, observing that democratic nation building in the Muslim world 'will not engender any kind of free, liberal society', is not the same as saying 'the Jews control the government'. You would have to be an idiot to draw any kind of parallel between those two positions.
If you want to paint me as some kind of racist, I'm afraid you're going to have to do a little better than that. Continue the stalking if you must, it's rather amusing. |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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I find it amusing as well. Not exactly challenging, but amusing.
So now that you are in the proper thread, tell me, why have you chosen to designate Islam your pet project? For the time being I will play your game of ignoring historical context, example and precedent(which is a not-so-clever way to avoid useful discussion), and stick to what's going on the world today. But of all the damaging ideologies in the world, why single out this one? Is it just because you follow fads well? |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 12:09 am Post subject: |
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You are in danger of hijacking yet another thread.
There are plenty of threads in the current events forum about Islam. Feel free to post there and I will gladly answer any of your questions. |
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