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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Not even one drop of ink must be allowed to fall into the Han River |
This type of talk is deeply disturbing in this day and age, and does not bode well for things to come. Eugenics was rubbished years ago. There is something more than vaguely fascist about this kind of racial purity talk. |
Ofcourse it is, but then KJI's regime and fascism have A LOT in common. |
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patchy
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: Racial Purity. Korean Against Korean |
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Two Koreas' Top Brass Resort to Racist Mudslinging
The second day of talks between North and South Korean generals on Wednesday got off on the wrong foot when delegates stooped to mudslinging over the racial purity of Korea.
... the South Korean delegation said such dilution of the bloodline was "but a drop of ink in the Han River," adding this would cause no problems "if we all live together." But this failed to mollify the North Korean. "Since time immemorial, our nation has been a land of abundant beauty. Not even one drop of ink must be allowed to fall into the Han River," Kim thundered.
"Our history shows that we were able to maintain the purity of the Korean race even while living together with the Jurchen and the Manchurians of the region," Han countered.
Chosun Ilbo (May 17, 2006)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200605/200605170016.html |
I think he was talking about people like jinju.  |
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patchy
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Not even one drop of ink must be allowed to fall into the Han River |
This type of talk is deeply disturbing in this day and age, and does not bode well for things to come. Eugenics was rubbished years ago. There is something more than vaguely fascist about this kind of racial purity talk. |
Ofcourse it is, but then KJI's regime and fascism have A LOT in common. |
Speaking of fascism,
jinju says:
"I say BRING IT ON. The North would be flattened in a matter of days. I say bring it on. Time to finish off a pariah state."
http://home.iprimus.com.au/korob/fdtcards/Cards_Index.html
Friendly Dictators site.
Let's equate North Korea with fascism every opportunity we can get, never mind NK was created as a reaction to fascism, to fight it ..... a little propaganda and tweaking of the facts never hurt our political agenda.
Fascism, Nazism and the US (below):
http://www.rense.com/general71/zzon.htm
Zionism Is Nobody's Friend
By Judy Andreas
5-6-06
" .... Author Jack Bernstein stated:
"I am well aware of the tactics YOU, my Zionist brethren, use to quiet anyone who attempts to expose any of your subversive acts. If the person is gentile, you cry "you're anti-Semitic," which is nothing more than a smokescreen to hide your actions. But if a Jew is the person doing the exposing, you resort to other tactics:
First, you ignore the charges, hoping the information will not be given widespread distribution. If the information starts reaching too many people, you ridicule the information and the person giving the information. If that doesn't work, your next step is character assassination. If the author or speaker hasn't been involved in sufficient scandal, you are adept at fabricating a scandal against the person or persons. If none of these are effective, you are known to resort to physical attacks. But NEVER do you try to prove the information wrong. "
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Its a bit like darwin's evolutionary theory gone wrong.
They develop their own unique comforting/defensive belief systems that have no basis in reality. |
No more so than religions do oh secular one. |
-But The cult of Kim Jong Il /Juche- has not voluntarilly spread worldwide and benefitted every country it has touched. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Not even one drop of ink must be allowed to fall into the Han River |
This type of talk is deeply disturbing in this day and age, and does not bode well for things to come. Eugenics was rubbished years ago. There is something more than vaguely fascist about this kind of racial purity talk. |
Ofcourse it is, but then KJI's regime and fascism have A LOT in common. |
jinju says:
"I say BRING IT ON. The North would be flattened in a matter of days. I say bring it on. Time to finish off a pariah state."
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I stand by that comment. Finish them off.
Isnt it time for you to leave Korea? I think I gave the stat in the other thread that about 70% of Koreans want the US forces to stay and see them as having a positive impact on stability on the peninsula. Ofcourse you wont ever acknowledge thos statistics because, well, that would make all your crap about Koreans being leftists and against the US just plain wrong. You asked us to leave if we are against North Korea because according to you, most Koreans are left of center and anti-US. But those stats, as well as the inevitable GNP domination on may 31st and in the next national assembly elections show that its infact a different story. Leftist fascists and commies put up a ruckus but are in the minority. EVEN ON CAMPUSES terrorist pro DPRK groups do not enjoy support of much of the student body. The fact of the matter is, even with Pyeongyang threatening a "Deluge of Fire" if the GNP wins (yes, they actually did threaten this) conservative winds are blowing. within 3 years we will have a GNP mayor in Seoul, GNP governor of Kyeonggi, GNP dominated local governments, GNP rulling party and the daughter of a national hero and current GNP leader in the blue house. Hows that for a "leftist" country, patchy? Isnt it time to leave? DPRK is only 30 miles away. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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I say let Nk stay up there as long as possible.
They'd trash and concrete over the pristine DMZ in weeks if unification ever happened.
Besides....reforming NK would just be way too much of a burden on the South. Let reunification happen very very gradually, if at all. |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't be so quick to jump down the throat of the South Korean General vis a vis his reply. If you check the comments section of the Marmot's hole there is a dispute over the translation. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 2:37 am Post subject: |
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| They do seem extremely concerned with racial purity though, don:t they? Does anyone else find this disurbing in this day and age? |
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 2:56 am Post subject: |
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[quote="rapier"]This is what hapens when you isolate a group of people on a virtual island, cut them off from the rest of the planet for hundreds of years and more. Its a bit like darwin's evolutionary theory gone wrong.
They develop their own unique comforting/defensive belief systems that have no basis in reality. And behavioral ways that don't relate to the outside world. Ever heard of the Galapagos? Ever heard of Iceland? They seem to be doing quite nicely with a small population base that first arrived there a thousand years ago. Fortunately there was a mix in place: Norwegians, Danes, Irish. Now they have one of the world's highest standards of living, and the world's highest broadband usage (sorry, Korea, you're number two). And if you've ever met an Icelander, you might find that they speak better English than you do. |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Yeah, Satori, 'wanting to preserve racial purity' is a totally disturbing notion in this day and age. Korea is behind the times thinking it's ahead of the game in terms of 'racial purity'. Works for them, doesn't work for us (I, personally, feel left out).
The tribal frenzy of uniracial patriotism is like some mad, wild, beachside party where everyone's a sweating, ecstatic hula dancer oblivious to reason or individuality. Hmm, looks like fun! (too bad I'm not Korean!). |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 10:19 am Post subject: |
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igotthisguitar,
Your post (Two Koreas' Top Brass Resort to Racist Mudslinging) could go here. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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Satori wrote:
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Not even one drop of ink must be allowed to fall into the Han River
This type of talk is deeply disturbing in this day and age, and does not bode well for things to come. Eugenics was rubbished years ago. There is something more than vaguely fascist about this kind of racial purity talk.
Yes, but be real.. the SK general who started that was in all probability just trying to find a way to paper over the difference of opinion so they could talk about the important military matters that was the whole reason they were meeting in the first place. It wasn't the appropriate time for a lecture on the evils of racism and the benefits of multiculuralism.
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Right. The South Korean did sort of express agreement with the Nork, when he said that the amount of foreign blood in South Korea was tiny. In saying this, he was essentially validating the North Korean's views, because the genuninely anti-racist thing to say would be that foreign blood doesn't matter, no matter what the amount. However, I'm sure we've all been in situations where we mumble agreement with something that someone says just to avoid a shouting match. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Satori wrote:
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Not even one drop of ink must be allowed to fall into the Han River
This type of talk is deeply disturbing in this day and age, and does not bode well for things to come. Eugenics was rubbished years ago. There is something more than vaguely fascist about this kind of racial purity talk.
Yes, but be real.. the SK general who started that was in all probability just trying to find a way to paper over the difference of opinion so they could talk about the important military matters that was the whole reason they were meeting in the first place. It wasn't the appropriate time for a lecture on the evils of racism and the benefits of multiculuralism.
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Right. The South Korean did sort of express agreement with the Nork, when he said that the amount of foreign blood in South Korea was tiny. In saying this, he was essentially validating the North Korean's views, because the genuninely anti-racist thing to say would be that foreign blood doesn't matter, no matter what the amount. However, I'm sure we've all been in situations where we mumble agreement with something that someone says just to avoid a shouting match. |
Agreed! But if you read patchy you'll see he implies that the two Korea's are united in their eugenics based racism. |
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patchy
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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Does it? Promote 'eugenics'-based racism?
Or is this view of yours part of your anti-Korea campaign on this board? You have said there is no racism against Koreans and that every Korean is racist in this thread: http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=56839&start=150
Now you say the racism Koreans show is 'eugenics'-based.
"Eugenics"
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/encyclopedia/entry/eugenics
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eugenics
... study of human genetics and of methods to improve the inherited characteristics, physical and mental, of the human race. Efforts to improve the human race through bettering housing facilities and other environmental conditions are known as euthenics.
Sir Francis Galton, who introduced the term eugenics, is usually regarded as the founder of the modern science of eugenics; his emphasis was on the role of factors under social control that could either improve or impair the qualities of future generations. Modern eugenics is directed chiefly toward the discouragement of propagation among the unfit (negative eugenics) and encouragement of propagation among those who are healthy, intelligent, and of high moral character (positive eugenics). Such a program involves many difficulties, especially that of defining which traits are most desirable.
The first half of the 20th cent. saw extreme coercive application of such principles by governments ranging from miscegenation laws and enforced sterilization of the insane in the United States and other nations to the Holocaust of Nazi Germany. Regulated eugenics continues in some parts of the world; China enacted restrictions on marriages involving persons with certain disabilities and diseases in 1994.
In the United States in recent years, interest in eugenics has centered around genetic screening. It is known, for example, that hemophilia, albinism, and certain structural abnormalities are inheritable. Family gene maps, called pedigrees, can help families with serious diseases avoid having children with the same diseases through genetic counseling, and, increasingly, prospective parents can be tested directly for the presence of undesired genes. If conception has occurred, tests such as amniocentesis and chorionic villus sampling can be used to detect certain genetic defects in the fetus ... |
http://www.georgetown.edu/research/nrcbl/publications/scopenotes/sn28.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
http://www.eugenics-watch.com/roots/chap12.html
Koreans do not practise 'eugenics' or racial genocide which I think is the sense that you mean when you use this word. People have practised/practise 'eugenics' (racial genocide) against them. People are trying to destroy them even now. People are saying Korean leftists are subhuman and need to be wiped out. Four million Koreans died as a result of this type of thinking. (But generally white leftists such as the Swedish and Norwegians etc are not treated in the same way by the same people who advocate the genocide of North Koreans and other Koreans.)
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=56800&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=180
Even the 'eugenics'-based racism type of thinking of the Nazis was supported by the Zionists themselves. The Zionists thought the racial purity of the Jews was important and they emulated what the Nazis were doing. Goebbels even had a medal struck that had the swastika on one side and the Zionist star on the other. Read about this here:
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/schoenman/ch06.htm
and here:
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/ch07.htm
They are practising a form of 'eugenics-based racism' against the Palestinians now.
Don't twist things around: nobody is murdering foreign teachers in Korea or asking for it. It is the other way around: it is (some of) the foreign teachers who want to see Koreans dead.
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 2:59 am Post subject: |
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Does it? Promote 'eugenics'-based racism?
Or is this view of yours part of your anti-Korea campaign on this board? You have said there is no racism against Koreans and that every Korean is racist in this thread: http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=56839&start=150
Now you say the racism Koreans show is 'eugenics'-based.
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First of all, just so we're all perfectly clear, I have no anti Korea campaign on this board or anywhere.
Second, I have never said, anywhere that there is no racism against Koreans and that all Koreans are racist.
When you make stuff up out of pure thin air you just weaken your own credibility, and yours right now is just about non exsistant.
Now, on to eugenics. Don't put words in my mouth. I did not imply anything at all about genocide. Eugenics is the belief in genetics based race. That it in a nutshell. The stuff that people went on to do using eugenics are a justification falls under politics.
Eugenics is simply bogus science, and totally debunked.
The north Korean general who said "not a drop of ink ..." may not have been spedifically thinking eugenics when he said that. And I'm not going to be lead down a semantic tunnel pushing the eugenics angle.
What we're talking about here is quite clear for all to understand, and that is a belief in genetic racial purity. It's based on bogus science, and a faulty understanding of how culture is transmitted. It's backwards, and divisive. The end. |
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