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jinju
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thank god I have an F5.
Living on an E2..good times:) |
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Homer
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 2:16 am Post subject: |
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Barking that link refers to a thread where a teacher (or prospective teacher) is complaining that his or her recruiter is pushing her to come to Korea and start working without her visa and then go on a visa run.
Now, besides the fact that this would be illegal, what does it have to do with the OPs question about what happens to illegals?
Unless you are trying to imply that illegal teachers are all forced to work illegally by some evil recruiter...  |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| However, take a peek at how this could happen in the first place ... |
Context is everything. |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 7:25 am Post subject: |
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Doing privates is indeed illegal, but using smarts can limit the trouble you can get into when doing them....
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| Might be the immigration dudes that wander into hakwans to check the credentials of the foreign staff? |
NEVER work for a school or go to a person's place of business to do classes. If they want you, you can always go to their homes. By doing this, you cause little suspicion to yourself when working.
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| Bank deposits from an employer and no ARC on file...Perhaps the bank staff person who gets a reward for turning in illegal foreigners? |
Never keep money in ONE bank account. Always have several spread out to again, limit suspicion of you when working. Then when you are about to leave, collect the money and go.
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| The immigration guy that checks the ID of foreigners travelling on the subway? |
I have never been checked on the subway nor on any type of transportation (not like the way the police do it here in the middle east) while in Korea.
But if you get checked, first, make sure never to carry textbooks with you, that is a dead give-away that you are doing privates (unless you are an E2 visa holder or a student visa holder, then you can say you are going to work). If they inspect your passport, just tell them you are on vacation and are in Korea for one of the many seasonal festivals that are held in Korea.
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| The hakwan down the street that would love to see your boss and his competition closed. |
But that other hakwon is doing the same as YOUR boss. Try to talk to a disgruntle teacher there are get some dirt on the other school and give it to your boss. It would be a great blackmailing tool to keep their mouth shut.
(Sometimes, teaching can be a dog-eat-dog business, so you must be prepared to do some mudslinging if some come your way)
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| The security guard that sees you going in to do your private classes |
Again, never carry books with you. A good parent would either keep the books at their home or if there is a group involved, can move the lessons periodically to the other parents' homes to throw off the scent sometimes.
And if they do seem to snitch.You can always tell them you are going to see an old co-worker or a good friend. Also remember, you are not the only one getting into trouble, so there is an incentive for the parents to keep the coast clear of all trouble.
When doing private teaching, here are some things to remember;
1. Change the times you teach. Never keep the same schedule for more than 2 weeks.
2. Change locations as often as possible. This also breaks the routine and keeps the classes fresh. Again, if the classes are for groups change the locations at least every week or so
3. Never carry textbooks. If possible, prepare a lesson to teach and email the lesson to the student. That way you don't carry anything that shows people you are doing something illegal
4. If you are on a tourist visa, don't wait until your visa expiry date to leave the country. The best thing to do is to leave as often as possible. There are some travel packages that are very cheap. For instance; There is a package for a round-trip KTX from Seoul to Busan and a fairy ride from Korea to Japan for only 190,000 won. And most tickets to Japan or China can be purchased from 210,000 to 260,000 depending on the time of year. And sometimes it is good to get away from Korea once in a while to refresh yourself after all the aggravation of working in Korea
Money can be made. But, I have to agree with the rest, if you get caught, its YOUR butt. |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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Excellent post, Lastat. I would just like to comment on a couple of apparent home truths.
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| If they inspect your passport, just tell them you are on vacation and are in Korea for one of the many seasonal festivals that are held in Korea. |
If tourists need an exaggerated excuse to be in Korea, then that is going to work wonders for the tourist industry.
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| If you are on a tourist visa, don't wait until your visa expiry date to leave the country. The best thing to do is to leave as often as possible. |
Ideally, a tourist visa should last as long as ... the tourist visa. If legally staying the full 3 months arouses suspicion, then, again, that will work wonders for the tourist industry. All this anti-waeguk paranoia is literally giving the tourist yen to Japan.
Edit: I'm saying this as someone who may possibly revisit Korea in the future purely for leisure, not someone planning to teach privates. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 2:27 am Post subject: |
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Context is everything.
Very true......a rule to be remembered by everyone. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 2:02 am Post subject: |
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What happens? 
My God man, haven't you heard the stories about what they're doing?
You're quickly put on a secret rendition flight to the North & usually either executed within a week or, like Guantanamo, held without charges in a swanky military jail for the rest of your natural life.
Best advice i can offer is "GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN"  |
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ajuma
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| Do you think that there's a website for illegal workers in the US advising them how to "beat the system"? They seem to be having the same type of debate... |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| ...Do you think that there's a website for illegal workers in the US advising them how to "beat the system"? |
Yes.....There are....
Some in the immigrant community actually do post info on how to "beat the system" in the US. How else do all those Koreans go to the US and are able to overstay their visas....
I think that if we are the supply, we should determine which demand to fill. Besides, private work seems to be better in the long run;
1. Better pay
2. Shorter hours
3. Better overall conditions (for the right candidate)
The shortcomings;
1. The risk of getting caught
2. The risk of getting screwed over
3. The risk of denial of entry
Despite all these shortcomings, people still are able to thrive while some are nabbed and thrown out as an example. But people who have been doing it for a while know the wheels of this mechanism.
The best thing to do is to weigh the pros and cons of this venture and see if it is right for you. Like considering full-time work in Korea, you have to decide if it is right for you. |
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ajuma
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| So, lastat06513, what you're actually saying is that it's ok to work illegally in any country as long as your skill is in demand there, right? |
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NearlyKorean
Joined: 15 Mar 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 6:09 am Post subject: |
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What happens?
My God man, haven't you heard the stories about what they're doing?
You're quickly put on a secret rendition flight to the North & usually either executed within a week or, like Guantanamo, held without charges in a swanky military jail for the rest of your natural life.
Best advice i can offer is "GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN" |
You forgot the free molestation and strip searches they are now providing.
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Snowmeow
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| Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:30 am Post subject: |
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I've been asked while on the subway to teach privates a few times in the four weeks, most recently by a man who calls himself Mr. Company President.
The thing I find most unacceptable about teaching private lessons is the leverage somebody could have over me, if they knew that what I was doing violated my VISA. It seems like a very blackmailable situation. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| The thing I find most unacceptable about teaching private lessons is the leverage somebody could have over me, if they knew that what I was doing violated my VISA. It seems like a very blackmailable situation. |
DING DING DING! |
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dreamscape
Joined: 05 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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| The thing I find most unacceptable about teaching private lessons is the leverage somebody could have over me, if they knew that what I was doing violated my VISA. It seems like a very blackmailable situation. |
But think of your leverage. You could always teach them hilariously incorrect English! |
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TheFonz
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
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| The thing I find most unacceptable about teaching private lessons is the leverage somebody could have over me, if they knew that what I was doing violated my VISA. It seems like a very blackmailable situation. |
DING DING DING! |
See I always wondered about this. Could someone potentially screw you over by handing out business cards or put up flyers with your name and contact information for private lessons. Or for instance call in an annoynomous tip to immigration. Has anyone ever heard of immigration have people going around soliciting for private lessons to foreigners?
I guess what I am more or less wondering is: What kind of proof do they need to find you guilty? Not to hijack the OP's thread but I am curious. |
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