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When should kids start to learn english? (poll options in korean age) |
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whatthefunk

Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Location: Dont have a clue
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 3:59 am Post subject: What age should Korean kids start to learn english? |
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This week my preschool class enrollement almost doubled. That wouldn't have been a problem normally, but all the kids are 4-5 years old and don't even really speak korean. So now I have 16 preschoolers in one class...half of them are completly lost and will be for a few years to come.
So my question is, when should these kids start to learn english? What do you think a good age for them to start at is?
I think around 7 korean age is pretty good, but in reallity, no seven year old should have to sit in a hagwan all day...they should be out playing. However, if this society is intent on having its children learn english, they should start at 7. |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 4:03 am Post subject: |
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Technically, the younger the child, the better. Unfortunately, what people don't get is that you can't just send a kid to a hakwon at any age and expect much of a result, unless you:
a)make the student practice at home as well, or;
b)have a child who really likes English |
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whatthefunk

Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Location: Dont have a clue
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 4:08 am Post subject: |
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Zyzyfer wrote: |
Technically, the younger the child, the better. Unfortunately, what people don't get is that you can't just send a kid to a hakwon at any age and expect much of a result, unless you:
a)make the student practice at home as well, or;
b)have a child who really likes English |
Yes, well said. They could send them to the hagwan straight after birth, or better yet, they could jsut ship them off to American boarding schools.
Sending them to the hagwan at age 4 does nothing. I have no idea what to do with the kids...they don't understand any of my normal preschool games, I can't get them to talk, they can't color yet, they just sit there and stare off into space. Way to young to be in the hagwan and have it be effective.... |
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katydid

Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Location: Here kitty kitty kitty...
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 5:07 am Post subject: |
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Kids should be kids! What business does a 2 year old have learning English? The kid can barely speak Korean!! Why should a 9 year old spend all evening at a hagwan? He should be out playing soccer with his friends! It made me feel so bad to see this 5 year old girl in a classroom with 9 year olds last year.
Studying English should be a voluntary thing...I'm sure a lot of kids feel resentful they have to take the course and so there is the genesis of the "Hellohihowareyounicetomeetyoupuckyou!" chorus |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:19 am Post subject: |
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whatthefunk wrote: |
Yes, well said. They could send them to the hagwan straight after birth, or better yet, they could jsut ship them off to American boarding schools. |
I more meant that, if one of their parents spoke English to them, they'd catch on real quick. |
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whatthefunk

Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Location: Dont have a clue
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Zyzyfer wrote: |
whatthefunk wrote: |
Yes, well said. They could send them to the hagwan straight after birth, or better yet, they could jsut ship them off to American boarding schools. |
I more meant that, if one of their parents spoke English to them, they'd catch on real quick. |
Maybe so, but how many parents actually know enough english and are willing to do this? I spent all day today trying to get the four year olds to say 'hi'or 'hello' and they just stared at me. None of my games worked, they don't understand the letter 'A' because they don't understand hangul either and I really do think that it is a complete waste of time.
You also mentioned that the kids have to really like english...well, if you can give me some suggestions as to how to make these kids enjoy english, please do. |
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hellofaniceguy

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: On your computer screen!
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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This is a "no brainer." Any professional knows that early childhood education is the key. The eariler the better. |
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kimcheeking Guest
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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hellofaniceguy wrote: |
This is a "no brainer." Any professional knows that early childhood education is the key. The eariler the better. |
true enough but when most of the native speakers at hogwons (99.5% dare I guess) just have a B.A. in whatever, it is impossible for them to conduct classes in a principled manner using proper educational techniques.
If Korea used in English more commonly than now and there was a chance that children would have an opportunity to use the language or at least be exposed to it outside of class, then it would be worthwhile.
I think the proper approach for a hogwan teacher in the KOrean context is to expose children to foreigners so that they are not scared of us and to somehow make them feel that English can be fun.
disclaimer *I never want to teach children again* |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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whatthefunk wrote: |
Maybe so, but how many parents actually know enough english and are willing to do this? |
That's what I find to be the inherent flaw in learning languages like Koreans learn English. Trust me, I feel for ya. I'm utterly hopeless in a kindy class. |
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helly
Joined: 01 Apr 2003 Location: WORLDWIDE
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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Kids should be [b]exposed[/b] to English at the earliest age possible. This is as simple as playing and singing along with English songs, reading books to the children (even to babies in the womb) and talking to them on a regular basis in the language. The tots will not, and should not be expected to respond, to anything at this time.
Formal [b]teaching[/b] should begin in the early elementary years, but still not the "sit down, study the textbook and listen to the lecture" approach that usually happens.
To address an earlier comment, [b]many[/b] Korean parents have the English ability to do this with their children, that is [b]expose[/b] them to the language. The problem comes when grandiose expectations start forcing the language on the little ones.
I have some friends who were always talking, singing and reading to their little daughter and she was comprehending the language at an amazingly early age. Because Dad started thinking that his kid was advanced, he started the sit-down, formal education (including the "stick") at the age of 2. She is now 7 years old, attends hagwons (not just English) all day, and WILL NOT speak a word of English nor respond to it in anyway. She doesn't even like it when we meet them because she is now afraid of the English-Ajushi |
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makushi

Joined: 08 Jun 2003
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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helly wrote: |
Kids should be exposed to English at the earliest age possible. This is as simple as playing and singing along with English songs, reading books to the children (even to babies in the womb) and talking to them on a regular basis in the language. The tots will not, and should not be expected to respond, to anything at this time.
Formal teaching should begin in the early elementary years, but still not the "sit down, study the textbook and listen to the lecture" approach that usually happens.
To address an earlier comment, many Korean parents have the English ability to do this with their children, that is expose them to the language. The problem comes when grandiose expectations start forcing the language on the little ones.
I have some friends who were always talking, singing and reading to their little daughter and she was comprehending the language at an amazingly early age. Because Dad started thinking that his kid was advanced, he started the sit-down, formal education (including the "stick") at the age of 2. She is now 7 years old, attends hagwons (not just English) all day, and WILL NOT speak a word of English nor respond to it in anyway. She doesn't even like it when we meet them because she is now afraid of the English-Ajushi |
I haaaate fricking psycho parents like that....
Kids learn through playing...but unfortunately most parents are too lazy to get of their butts and play with their kids in any manner let alone an educational one...how many dads do you see outside everynight with their kids actively playing? They may, on the rare occassion go to the playground...and watch the kids....or go to the park...and watch the kids...but they don't have the frickin energy/no how to actively engage their kid in something other than doing insa and asking them about their school work....nay, nay, nay, (can I go to my room now) nay nay nay...what a farce... |
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whatthefunk

Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Location: Dont have a clue
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 3:09 am Post subject: |
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makushi wrote: |
I haaaate fricking psycho parents like that....
Kids learn through playing...but unfortunately most parents are too lazy to get of their butts and play with their kids in any manner let alone an educational one...how many dads do you see outside everynight with their kids actively playing? They may, on the rare occassion go to the playground...and watch the kids....or go to the park...and watch the kids...but they don't have the frickin energy/no how to actively engage their kid in something other than doing insa and asking them about their school work....nay, nay, nay, (can I go to my room now) nay nay nay...what a farce... |
I never even thought about that, but now that you mention it, I don't recall ever seeing a father palying with the kids. Makes you wonder...
I think it is good that we have made a distinction between playful exposure to the language and books open, hagwan style studying. If my boss allowed me, I would love to just sit on the floor with the four year olds and and sing songs, play games, read them english stories and stuff, but that would never happen because she needs to show the parents results...ie completed workbooks, tests etc. So I guess its not the fact that the kids are in the hagwan at an early age that bothers me, its the fact that they are expected to actually study and 'learn' the language at four years old. |
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Avram Iancu

Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Location: Changwon
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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I would say that in order to garner mastery of the word "Hello", expectant mothers should begin instruction while their little prince/princess is still in the womb... |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="makushiKids learn through playing...but unfortunately most parents are too lazy to get of their butts and play with their kids in any manner let alone an educational one...how many dads do you see outside everynight with their kids actively playing? ...[/quote]
Just because YOU only work 30 hours a week, doesn't mean that most Korean parents do. Most of them work six days a week. As for playing with the kids, go to a beach during summer vacation. You'll see plenty of it then. |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Just because YOU only work 30 hours a week, doesn't mean that most Korean parents do. Most of them work six days a week. As for playing with the kids, go to a beach during summer vacation. You'll see plenty of it then. |
Those parents should realize the crazy responsibilities that they're taking on. I know what you're saying, but I don't necessarily agree with 100% of the cases.
This issue occurs everywhere, though, not just in Korea. How many cheesy family movies come out where the father doesn't play enough with his kids, they do something stupid, the world explodes, then daddy says "oh, sorry pumpkin, I'll pay more attention to you now!"[/i] |
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