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On the other hand
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Uhh, okay, I read it, and I'm thinking.
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The Korean Confederation of Trade Unions, whose goons most recently gained infamy with an anti-anti-North Korean protest that blocked the U.S. Ambassador from attending a media interview, will now represent South Korean government workers. The KCTU has a long history of violent and thuggish protests, reflexive anti-Americanism,* and sympathetic dealings with the North Korean regime. The KCTU is the more radical of South Korea�s two largest labor organizations, the other being the Federation of Korean Trade Unions.
The Korean Government Employees� Union yesterday decided to officially join the nation�s progressive labor umbrella organization, heralding a major transition of the labor movement in Korea.
KGEU�s participation will make the Korean Confederation of Trade Union, currently the second-largest, the nation�s largest labor organization with more than 800,000 members.
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This says thqt the civil servants have voted to be represented by a left-wing union that has criticized US foreign policy. What the *beep* does that have to do with whether or not the Uri Party is communist? Uri is made up of politicans, not civil servants. Most of these unionists are probably endorsing the Democratic Labour Party anyway, not Uri.
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Mr. Chung said, �When a peace regime is set up, the national defense reform plan
must be reconsidered.� Mr. Chung was speaking about the National Defense Reform
Plan 2020, announced by the Defense Ministry last year. The plan aims to cut the
current 680,000-strong military force down to 500,000, accompanied by expanding its power with state-of-the-art technology.
What the hell is a "Peace Regime"? Considering this is the former UNIFICATION minister, the minsitry that allows student terrorists denounced by the ROK Supreme Court as enemies of the state to travel to the OTHER enemy of the state, I realy have to wonder what he wants a peace regime to really be.
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Yeah, the guy is saying that when the state of war no longer exists on the Korean peninsula, the military situation will change. Holy cow, what a radical proposition! Is the GNP plnning to keep the military in a war position after a peace treaty is signed?
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What the hell is a "Peace Regime"? Considering this is the former UNIFICATION minister, the minsitry that allows student terrorists denounced by the ROK Supreme Court as enemies of the state to travel to the OTHER enemy of the state, I realy have to wonder what he wants a peace regime to really be.
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Your argument here assumes that, for Uri, "peace regime = Communism", because Uri is Communist. But "Uri is Communist" is the thesis that you're supposed to be proving. Umm, does the phrase "circular reasoning" ring a bell?
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| recognized the absolute stupidity/dangerous lack of backbone by the Uri party and kicked them out. |
You know, when you leave out all the hyperbole and unsubstantiated claims, we can almost agree. Or at least start to debate real points instead of asking you to prove your hyperbole (which you still haven't done, and if I were a betting man, I'd say you'll never actually be able to do).
It's a shame you can only bring yourself to do it in about 1 out of every 10 posts you write.
But why did the GNP lose so badly to the Uri party in the first place?
Is is simply that "most South Koreans love Communism"?
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| No. Ill take it as a sign that despite some very violent, very vocal terrorists |
If the hanchongryeon kids are "very violent terrorists", what do you call Osama Bin Laden? A very very violent terrorist? |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I decided to give him a pass on that part of the sentence for the sake of seeing if he could actually string together something logical and defendable... |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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jinju wrote:
recognized the absolute stupidity/dangerous lack of backbone by the Uri party and kicked them out.
You know, when you leave out all the hyperbole and unsubstantiated claims, we can almost agree. It's a shame you can only bring yourself to do it in about 1 out of every 10 posts you write.
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Yeah, if I were a rational conservative on Dave's, I'd be kinda ticked off at Jinju. There's a legit critique to be made of Uri's North Korea policy, but Jinju seems hell-bent on making the anti-Uri camp look like a bunch of paranoid loons. |
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jinju
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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They arent kids, they are terrorists. One thing I would hope for the new government is a complete crackdown on them, including campus raids and mass arrests followed up by heavy sentences.
Kids? Destroy their futures, maybe then they will grow up. |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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For the umpteenth time- define terrorist and provide proof that they meet this definition!
Look, I could call you dumber than a bag of hammers, but does this make you so? No, for that I'd need to test your IQ.
You calling them terrorists is an opinion, and a rather ridiculous one at that. Like all the other asinine things you've been saying, if you want us to accept it as a fact you'll have to prove it, even just a little bit. BTW, holding a demonstration, even a rowdy one by Korean standards, does not make one a terrorist. Hint: Terrorist acts make one a terrorist. What terrorist acts have they committed? I'll even settle for 'what terrorist acts have they claimed responsibility for? Usually terrorists are quite eager to claim responsibility for actions, so much so that often there are mutliple claims by different groups on any given terrorist act. So this should be quite easy for you to substantiate, assuming it is indeed true...
I should have given this up a while a go but I must admit that I'm completely fascinated by your utter misunderstanding of the terms you use, your total inability for rational debate, and your complete obliviousness to how stupid you make yourself sound. I know this come off as very insulting, but honestly, I really do want to learn how you think- it really is fascinating.
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jinju
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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For the umpteenth time- define terrorist and provide proof that they meet this definition!
Look, I could call you dumber than a bag of hammers, but does this make you so? No, for that I'd need to test your IQ.
You calling them terrorists is an opinion, and a rather ridiculous one at that. Like all the other asinine things you've been saying, if you want us to accept it as a fact you'll have to prove it, even just a little bit. BTW, holding a demonstration, even a rowdy one by Korean standards, does not make one a terrorist. |
Holding A (as in singular, one) demonstration probably does not. When you hold MANY in which you attack unarmed police and soldiers with sharpened lethal weapons while spewing the ideology of an enemy that has 1.1 million men across a border waiting to attack you when the time is right, I would then question your leniency towards them. This is an organization that is illegal, has been deemed an enemy of the state twice by the Supreme Court. If an illegal group existed in the US which attacked police, army and civillians while spouting the ideology of Osama bin ladem what would YOU call them? Because osama is to the US what KJI is to Korea...despite the government's attempts to defend their criminal actions at every step. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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But why did the GNP lose so badly to the Uri party in the first place?
Is is simply that "most South Koreans love Communism"?
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In the presidential election, I think Roh was coasting on DJ's percieved endorsement, following the nationalist fervour of 2002. In the assembly elections a few years later, I think it was mostly a backlash against the impeachment, which many Koreans saw as unneccesary and totally partisan.
Plus: I'd imagine the GNP has kinda alienated itself from the younger generation of more liberal Koreans, what with their leaders' solemnly-rendered distinctions between groping a waiteress and groping a reporter, and earnest assemblymen saying that abolishing the hoju sysyem is a bad idea because "it would offend my mother and father". Can't see that kinda stuff really appealing to the Sex And The City demographic. |
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| If an illegal group existed in the US which attacked police, army and civillians while spouting the ideology of Osama bin ladem what would YOU call them? |
If the group confined its activities to holding rowdy protests and fighting with the cops, I suspect most media would call them something like "violent protestors with an extreme ideology". |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| When you hold MANY in which you attack unarmed police and soldiers with sharpened lethal weapons while spewing the ideology of an enemy that has 1.1 million men across a border waiting to attack you when the time is right, I would then question your leniency towards them. |
By your definition every Hyundai worker is guilty of terrorism. That's not terrorism.
And your reasoning is exactly the same reasoning Park Chung Hee used to supress labour movements and human rights, and, wait for it... DEMOCRACY in the 60s and 70s. "If you demonstrate, if you speak out against the government, if you strike, you are committing treason."
EDIT: He also added longhair in there too. That earned you a mandatory haircut by the friendly local constabulary.
So, in a nutshell, your solution to fighting the "Communism" of the North is to support anti-Democratic fascism?
Like I said, fascinating, truly fascinating...
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd imagine the GNP has kinda alienated itself from the younger generation of more liberal Koreans, what with their leaders' solemnly-rendered distinctions between groping a waiteress and groping a reporter, and earnest assemblymen saying that abolishing the hoju sysyem is a bad idea because "it would offend my mother and father". Can't see that kinda stuff really appealing to the Sex And The City demographic. |
Yeah, I can see that. I was thinking more of all the campaign finance illegalities they got caught doing. How many times can you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar before the voting public gets fed up? |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Because osama is to the US what KJI is to Korea |
That's not the most precise comparison.
When's the last time you saw a photo like this of Bush and Osama?
(recognize the dame, Jinju?) |
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Bulsajo
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Isn't it cool how Jinju's mind works? He's graduated from university but is incapable of real cognitive thought:
Osama is evil. KJI is evil. Therefore they are exactly the same and no further analysis is neccessary.
Utterly fascinating!
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