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When drunk ajosshi attack (Park Geun-hye)
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On the other hand

Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:00 pm Post subject:

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I was thinking more of all the campaign finance illegalities they got caught doing. How many times can you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar before the voting public gets fed up?

For me anyway, Korean corruption scandals all get to be kind of a blur after a while. I remember the GNP being implicated in a swackload of sleaze, but wasn't Uri also caught up in stuff like that as well? I guess the GNP's might have been worse, eh?

jinju

Joined: 22 Jan 2006

Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject:

Bulsajo wrote:

jinju wrote:

When you hold MANY in which you attack unarmed police and soldiers with sharpened lethal weapons while spewing the ideology of an enemy that has 1.1 million men across a border waiting to attack you when the time is right, I would then question your leniency towards them.

By your definition every Hyundai worker is guilty of terrorism. That's not terrorism.

And your reasoning is exactly the same reasoning Park Chung Hee used to supress labour movements and human rights, and, wait for it... DEMOCRACY in the 60s and 70s. "If you demonstrate, if you speak out against the government, if you strike, you are committing treason."

EDIT: He also added longhair in there too. That earned you a mandatory haircut by the friendly local constabulary.

So, in a nutshell, your solution to fighting the "Communism" of the North is to support anti-Democratic fascism?

Like I said, fascinating, truly fascinating...

Maybe Ill repeat myself:

1. I consider Park Chung Hee to have been a very good leader at a time when this country needed such a leader. Would you have proposed a Roh Moooooooo Hyun type to deal with the imminent DPRK threat of that time? Truly realistic, I see.

2. I support a strong crackdown on all these leftist groups. If some civil rights have to be stomped on, I say "these boots were made for stomping, and thats what they will do, and any day now Im gonna stomp all over your pinko neck". There is a line and I believe its been crossed. When people are breaking the national security laws and openly praising the DPRK regime, its time to stomp on their "rights".

On the other hand

Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject:

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When people are breaking the national security laws and openly praising the DPRK regime, its time to stomp on their "rights".

But according to you, the Korean people are smart enough to see through all the commie b.s. and reject it. So, what's the big deal if a few punks wanna stand on a street corner somewhere and holler into a bullhorn about what a great guy KJI is? Won't the intelligent Korean majority just laugh it off?

Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject:

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The dinner proceeded in an amicable atmosphere overflowing with compatriotic feelings.

Jinju utterly fails to understand the yearning of Koreans to have a reunited Korea. Have Korean in-laws who are refugees from the North, this feeling is very clear.
I also went to school with West Germans (pre-reunification) who felt much the same way.
It's not about the political system, it's about the people.
And supporting unification in some form does not mean supporting KJI's cult of personality.

But it also doesn't mean that Koreans are willing to slowly starve out millions of their bretheren for another 50 years.
Nor are they willing to have another war in which millions would lose their lives.

Apologies if I'm wrong, but I'm left with the impression that Jinju would find those options suitable solutions to what he views as a strictly political problem.

jinju

Joined: 22 Jan 2006

Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:08 pm Post subject:

On the other hand wrote:

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When people are breaking the national security laws and openly praising the DPRK regime, its time to stomp on their "rights".

Whats the problem when a few punks blow up a government building? Most americans will not fall for that anti government crap, right? Most will say "Hey, that McVeigh was just a lunatic". So really, whats the problem? Bomb away!

Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:08 pm Post subject:

jinju wrote:

Well, if you're going to advocate fascism, you might as well do it proudly. That's what my dear uncle Adolf always used to say...

Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject:

jinju wrote:

Whats the problem when a few punks blow up a government building?

Which govt building did they blow up? When? How many casualties? If you can substantiate this then I might have to reconsider my thoughts on Hanchongryun...

On the other hand

Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:11 pm Post subject:

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On the other hand wrote:
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When people are breaking the national security laws and openly praising the DPRK regime, its time to stomp on their "rights".

But according to you, the Korean people are smart enough to see through all the commie b.s. and reject it. So, what's the big deal if a few punks wanna stand on a street corner somewhere and holler into a bullhorn about what a great guy KJI is? Won't the intelligent Korean majority just laugh it off?

Whats the problem when a few punks blow up a government building? Most americans will not fall for that anti government crap, right? Most will say "Hey, that McVeigh was just a lunatic". So really, whats the problem? Bomb away!

Uhh, yeah. Shouting into a bullhorn, blowing up a building. I see the similarities.

Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject:

Utterly fascinating! I wish I could go on all night, but as it stands I know I've got some interesting reading to look forward to tomorrow! Wow, "The Jinju thread"! That was a good call, Bulsajo!

jinju

Joined: 22 Jan 2006

Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject:

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Jinju utterly fails to understand the yearning of Koreans to have a reunited Korea. Have Korean in-laws who are refugees from the North, this feeling is very clear.

Thats where you are wrong. All the hyperbole aside, yes, I also support a united Korea. There is however a discinnect between how the left want that to come about and how the right wants it to come about. Simply put, the right doesnt want it done on KJI's terms. Unlike the left.

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I also went to school with West Germans (pre-reunification) who felt much the same way.
It's not about the political system, it's about the people.
And supporting unification in some form does not mean supporting KJI's cult of personality.

Its not supporting unification but HOW you support it. The really radical left wants a unified Korea NOW. I.e. kick out the Americans and unify. Cool, so KJI will just step down? Hah, and guess what, they know that KJI never would. Therefore to them unification at any cost means unification under KJI. Thats treason.

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But it also doesn't mean that Koreans are willing to slowly starve out millions of their bretheren for another 50 years.
Nor are they willing to have another war in which millions would lose their lives.

Nor are the MAJORITY willing to sign away their deomcracy for some crazy dream of a single Korea. As will be shown in the upcoming elections, most do NOT support this government's unconditional support for NK.

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Apologies if I'm wrong, but I'm left with the impression that Jinju would find those options suitable solutions to what he views as a strictly political problem.

I would find massive sanctions against NK very suitable. As far as military strike, if done correctly, Is ay bombs away. This IS a political problem and has to be solved with backbone.

Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject:

Um, well no surprises in that post. But are you ever going to substantiate the wild claims you've made in this thread about terrorists, Uri party being a fifth column for the DPRK, bombing of buildings, etc. or are you just going to continue using your blanket statement which can be neatly summed up as "the ends justify any means"?

jinju

Joined: 22 Jan 2006

Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject:

On the other hand wrote:

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Uhh, yeah. Shouting into a bullhorn, blowing up a building. I see the similarities.

Right because as we all know, their protests are peaceful, all the nice university boys and girls bring flowers while one guy stands up and shouts into a bullhorn at police and soldiers...but its a really loud bullhorn and it causes hearing loss if listened to over an extended period of time. No leathal weapons anywhere to be found. The nice kids bring picnics and homeweork assigned by their perky 25 year old blonde English "professor" from Boston.

Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject:

So, which building did they blow up? Where? When?

jinju

Joined: 22 Jan 2006

Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:21 pm Post subject:

Bulsajo wrote:

So, which building did they blow up? Where? When?

Well, I guess for me attacking unarmed police and soldiers with lethal weapons, attacking army bases, attacking civillians is pretty much just as bad. Im sorry to see some condone that sort of crap.

bucheon bum

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:29 pm Post subject:

some people love excercises of futility.

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