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bucheon bum

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 7:37 am Post subject:

mindmetoo wrote:

bucheon bum wrote:

Saudi is the biggest "aid" giver in the world, if you go by % of a country's GDP. Alas, that aid is usually in the form of mosque building and other Islamic-related assistance.

Saudi Arabia is also kind of famous for pledging millions of dollars in aid and never actually coughing up the dough. I remember back in the '90s some Saudi Prince came to Toronto and made a big thing about a million dollar donation he was going to make... a kind of thanks Canada for Gulf War I. Months and months and months passed and he never coughed up the dough...

Well most of its aid goes to places like Pakistan and Afghanistan. It matched the US dollar-for-dollar in money given to the Afghanis in the 80s. It also was a large player in aid for last year's earthquake in kashmir.

Some of my fellow students in Morocco were from the University of Arkansas; their studies and travel were fully funded by the Saudis. Good ol' King Faud had the genius idea of creating a Middle eastern studies dept. at the Uni. of AR when Clinton became president. Two of those students were planning to be xtian missionaries in the Arab world after they graduated. Not so sure the Saudis would have been happy knowing their money was going towards xtian missionaries. Laughing

bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 8:13 am Post subject:

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Not so sure the Saudis would have been happy knowing their money was going towards xtian missionaries

This raises another important point. Why do Western nations allow Muslim nations to fund mosques, madrassas and 'cultural centres' in the West, while such ventures in Muslim nations are either banned completely or severely circumscribed?

Nowhere Man

Joined: 08 Feb 2004

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 8:21 am Post subject: ...

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Right, let's boycott 'em.

Oopsie. Capitalism...

Nowhere Man

Joined: 08 Feb 2004

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 8:23 am Post subject: ...

And Big V, What should we do about those Japanese textbooks?

bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 11:11 am Post subject:

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Right, let's boycott 'em.

Oopsie. Capitalism...

No, we just stop allowing them to build their mosques in our countries. This policy could be immediately reversed as soon as they allow Westerners to fund the building of Churches in the Middle East. What we should ask for is reciprocity. Of course, I recognise this is difficult as long as we continue to *beep* ourselves for oil, and as long as so many of our leaders are in their pocket.

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What should we do about those Japanese textbooks?

Do they teach hatred of infidels, world domination and holy war? No, I thought not. Do the Japanese fund worldwide Shinto centres encouraging Japanese immigrants to establish Japanese supremacy over the kuffar? Please try and stay on topic.

Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 11:14 am Post subject:

bigverne wrote:

Why, some 5 years after 9-11, do you allow the Saudis to spend billions, funding mosques and 'cultural centres' that promote this hateful ideology, in your own country?

Geopolitics.

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bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 12:09 pm Post subject:

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Geopolitics.

Why, what would happen if you stopped the Saudi's and others from their Da'wa policies? Personally, I think the building of a fifth column of Jihadists in the USA is a serious cause for concern.

Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 12:59 pm Post subject:

The Saudis have everyone in Washington addicted to their money, to paraphrase Robert Baer. Even if a viable substitute for oil were implemented how do you break this financial dependency of the government and the bureaucracy? WEll, I guess the answer is obvious- oil is the source of Saudi money. You have to break with the oil economy to divest the Saudis of their money. How do you do that when domestic oil companies hold such sway?

bucheon bum

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 1:10 pm Post subject:

bigverne wrote:

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Not so sure the Saudis would have been happy knowing their money was going towards xtian missionaries

there are plenty of cultural centres in muslim countries. I went to the French and German ones in sanaa, yemen on a few ocassions. While they probably can't be found in Saudi, I would say the odds are pretty high they can be found in nearly all other muslim countries.

but yeah, don't think church building would go down well with muslim gov'ts outside S.East Asia.

Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 1:14 pm Post subject:

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bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 1:34 pm Post subject:

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went to the French and German ones in sanaa, yemen on a few ocassions.

Well, that's not really the same thing. When I was speaking of cultural centres, I was referring to those places specifically set up to spread Islam. I doubt those places you speak of have much to do with spreading the word. They are probably more akin to the British Council.

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don't think church building would go down well with muslim gov'ts outside S.East Asia.

It doesn't go down their particularly well either.

jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject:

bigverne wrote:

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don't think church building would go down well with muslim gov'ts outside S.East Asia.

It doesn't go down their particularly well either.

Showing your lack of knowledge vis a vis Indonesia again old mate. There's a Christian satellite channel that beams into Indo, funded by US evangelists and plenty of missionary work going on there. Groups like Darul Islam oppose it, sure, but they are limited in their reach. Malaysia has laws against it, sure, but they only represent about 10% of the total muslim population of the region.

bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 2:19 pm Post subject:

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Showing your lack of knowledge vis a vis Indonesia again old mate. There's a Christian satellite channel that beams into Indo

I was specifically referring to the problems that Christians have building Churches in SE Asia and practising their faith, as compared to Muslims in the West. I'm sure it's better than in Arab countries, but let's not kid ourselves about Indonesian tolerance.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49660

Church forced to close by mob

Hundreds of radical Muslims who converged on a church filled with Christian worshippers in West Java on March 26, causing distress to many with their hostile demonstration, were convinced to disband only after police were called and the pastor of nine years agreed to close the church and cease all its Christian activities

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2005-11/2005-11-14-voa6.cfm?CFID=15126625&CFTOKEN=96462779

Indonesian Christians Complain Islamic Militants Close Churches

Christian groups in Indonesia say their right to worship freely is being hindered by conservative Muslim groups that have forced more than 30 churches to close this year. However, Muslim groups charge that Christians are violating the law by using shops and houses as places of worship.

Yep, it's a real walk in the park opening a church in the beacon of Islamic tolerance.

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