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Hollywoodaction
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Shameful.
And this is not mitigating in any way, but I wonder if a lot of climbers thought that the very idea of a solo ascent of Everest was sheer folly and incredible hubris? |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Its OK to have left him. That's what solo means. People spend their whole life times waiting to climb Everest, no need to waste the chance on someone else's folly. If a member of your team is hurt, then you should help but this guy wanted immortality. His folly. |
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SirFink
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 3:51 am Post subject: |
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YOu have to understand how exhausted those climbers are. Taking the time and energy to help the guy could result in their deaths as well as the guy's.
This certainly isn't the first time this has happened. The mountainside is littered with corpses and they often stay there or sometime as it is very difficult to bring them down for a proper burial. Helicopters have a heck of a time getting up there.
Anyone stupid enough to climb Everest should know the risks and not expect any help whatsoever if they get into trouble. |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:02 am Post subject: |
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It was on the news this morning, and apparently it's getting blown out of proportion. The reports are saying that he'd been laying all night exposed to the elements, no mittens, etc. and if he was alive when they came across him, it was only barely just. If there was no way to help him, I wouldn't have wasted my time. Just radioed down and been on my way.
And lets be honest, he pretty much deserved to die. Going solo up that mountian is just stupid. It's a Darwin Awards kind of thing. People think that just because it's been done, that it's easy.
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Zulu
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| dulouz wrote: |
| Its OK to have left him. That's what solo means. People spend their whole life times waiting to climb Everest, no need to waste the chance on someone else's folly. If a member of your team is hurt, then you should help but this guy wanted immortality. His folly. |
What a fucking idiot. Get your head checked. |
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Zulu
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| AbbeFaria wrote: |
It was on the news this morning, and apparently it's getting blown out of proportion. The reports are saying that he'd been laying all night exposed to the elements, no mittens, etc. and if he was alive when they came across him, it was only barely just. If there was no way to help him, I wouldn't have wasted my time. Just radioed down and been on my way.
And lets be honest, he pretty much deserved to die. Going solo up that mountian is just stupid. It's a Darwin Awards kind of thing. People think that just because it's been done, that it's easy.
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That goes for you, too. Man I can't believe people would actually say this. What a bunch of callous bastards. Sickening. |
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Zulu
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| dulouz wrote: |
| Its OK to have left him. That's what solo means. People spend their whole life times waiting to climb Everest, no need to waste the chance on someone else's folly. If a member of your team is hurt, then you should help but this guy wanted immortality. His folly. |
Yeah, and most 'climbers' these days are just rich socialites who pay to be brought up. Edmund Hillary and Tenzing they are not. Getting to the top at any price is typical me me me selfish bullshit. And for what? So they can go back to their little high society clubs and tell their chums how brave they were. What pathetic excuses for human beings. Those scum should be in jail for such neglect. |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| Zulu wrote: |
| dulouz wrote: |
| Its OK to have left him. That's what solo means. People spend their whole life times waiting to climb Everest, no need to waste the chance on someone else's folly. If a member of your team is hurt, then you should help but this guy wanted immortality. His folly. |
Yeah, and most 'climbers' these days are just rich socialites who pay to be brought up. Edmund Hillary and Tenzing they are not. Getting to the top at any price is typical me me me selfish *beep*. And for what? So they can go back to their little high society clubs and tell their chums how brave they were. What pathetic excuses for human beings. Those scum should be in jail for such neglect. |
Wah-Wah. Everyone's a bleeding heart, on paper. Don't you have some baby seals to save or something.
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Zulu
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| AbbeFaria wrote: |
| Zulu wrote: |
| dulouz wrote: |
| Its OK to have left him. That's what solo means. People spend their whole life times waiting to climb Everest, no need to waste the chance on someone else's folly. If a member of your team is hurt, then you should help but this guy wanted immortality. His folly. |
Yeah, and most 'climbers' these days are just rich socialites who pay to be brought up. Edmund Hillary and Tenzing they are not. Getting to the top at any price is typical me me me selfish *beep*. And for what? So they can go back to their little high society clubs and tell their chums how brave they were. What pathetic excuses for human beings. Those scum should be in jail for such neglect. |
Wah-Wah. Everyone's a bleeding heart, on paper. Don't you have some baby seals to save or something.�S� |
Oohhh, what a tough guy.
When you're dying on the street after some car accident or something and people decide to walk past you while what's left of your brains spill onto the pavement - hold on to that thought. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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In the last 53 years 1,500 climbers have reached the summit, but about 190 have died in the attempt.
There were a few books on that one season.. including one by Jon Kraukeur. (sp.?).. just seemed like death was almost par for the course.
They spend years training and months scaling.. and then there is one day where everything happens where they actually scramble to the peak and back down to safety once again. Its a hard moment. I imagine this person they are talking about is on that day. (The other days, the climbers generally do watch out for each other quite well).
Speaking from experience on a much much smaller way. A small group of myself and friends spent two days getting up to a mountain.. and right when we were 30 minutes from the top.. a girl hurt her foot.. at the same time some dark clouds were coming in (which meant snow in that elevation). We had the choice we could either start scrambling downward with her to safety and give up the peak.. or we could scale the peak and come back down as fast as possible.. (meaning an hour would pass total before we start scaling down - but obviously the dark clouds were moving towards us now.. and we had a hurt member).
To some of us.. scaling to the top was extremely important.. in the end.. everyone ended up coming back to her and getting back down to safer elevations as the snow caught us anyways.
But it was quite frustrating to spend that much effort and energy to ultimately fail in the endeavor because of a situation like that. Obviously the Everest situation is that intensed by 10000 times. |
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SirFink
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 2:27 am Post subject: |
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| When you're dying on the street after some car accident or something and people decide to walk past you while what's left of your brains spill onto the pavement - hold on to that thought. |
When you're scaling Everest and carrying just enough food to get you to the top and back, are breathing in a fraction of the oxygen your body needs to function properly and are thus completely exhausted and barely able to carry your own body weight forward, and are in the midst of weather so cold you'll die from exposure if you spend even a few minutes too many outside a tent, then we'll see how quick you'll be to rescue someone on the side of Everest. "The street" it ain't. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 3:57 am Post subject: |
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| SirFink wrote: |
| Zulu wrote: |
| When you're dying on the street after some car accident or something and people decide to walk past you while what's left of your brains spill onto the pavement - hold on to that thought. |
When you're scaling Everest and carrying just enough food to get you to the top and back, are breathing in a fraction of the oxygen your body needs to function properly and are thus completely exhausted and barely able to carry your own body weight forward, and are in the midst of weather so cold you'll die from exposure if you spend even a few minutes too many outside a tent, then we'll see how quick you'll be to rescue someone on the side of Everest. "The street" it ain't. |
For him to go to Everest he would need heavy "hardship payments" from his company because if it aint like home, he aint happy. I wonder if he asks for money from his company every time he is suffering from hardship because you know if Seoul is such a hard place to live, what about Everest? |
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Zulu
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| SirFink wrote: |
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| When you're dying on the street after some car accident or something and people decide to walk past you while what's left of your brains spill onto the pavement - hold on to that thought. |
When you're scaling Everest and carrying just enough food to get you to the top and back, are breathing in a fraction of the oxygen your body needs to function properly and are thus completely exhausted and barely able to carry your own body weight forward, and are in the midst of weather so cold you'll die from exposure if you spend even a few minutes too many outside a tent, then we'll see how quick you'll be to rescue someone on the side of Everest. "The street" it ain't. |
Climbers these days rarely port their own food supplies.
As is known, they clearly had enough oxygen, alertness, clarity of mind, determination and time to not only summit, take pictures and celebrate but to then make it down safely to a man, passing the man yet again. All 40 of them. And please don't presume to question what I'd do in this situation as you clearly have no sense of human decency.
Indeed it ain't the street, which makes it even more disgusting they left him there to die. |
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Zulu
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| For him to go to Everest he would need heavy "hardship payments" from his company because if it aint like home, he aint happy. I wonder if he asks for money from his company every time he is suffering from hardship because you know if Seoul is such a hard place to live, what about Everest? |
Everest would probably have cleaner air, at least.
I take it then that you too Jinju would have chosen to summit rather than help a fellow climber facing death? That'd be very sad, for you as a human being. |
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