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John Henry
Joined: 24 Sep 2004
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: Sympathy for illegeal teachers? |
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So, what if you could catch a reward of mmm...one million won for an anonymous tip about an illegeal teacher? Would you do it? What if the guy was a real tool?
I personally don't feel much sympathy for someone that gets caught teaching illegally. They (should) know the seriousness of the penalty. They are choosing to do something illegeal. I worked hard to get my degree, why should they be able to cheat?
ALthough, in the past, I've had some buddies/acquaintences that I knew were illegeal, and I didn't say sheyat. BUT, if there was some dumbass that I wanted gone, or if I could take a stab at a dirty wongjangnim, I'd probably do it for some dough.
What do you think? |
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LL Moonmanhead
Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Location: yo momma
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Sympathy for illegeal teachers? |
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John Henry wrote: |
So, what if you could catch a reward of mmm...one million won for an anonymous tip about an illegeal teacher? Would you do it? What if the guy was a real tool?
I personally don't feel much sympathy for someone that gets caught teaching illegally. They (should) know the seriousness of the penalty. They are choosing to do something illegeal. I worked hard to get my degree, why should they be able to cheat?
ALthough, in the past, I've had some buddies/acquaintences that I knew were illegeal, and I didn't say sheyat. BUT, if there was some dumbass that I wanted gone, or if I could take a stab at a dirty wongjangnim, I'd probably do it for some dough.
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I have absolutely no qualms about doing it. A bonus of a million won for each of them would be a nice bonus. Call me a snitch, rat, whatever you like. Couldn't give a flying *beep* tbh. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Sympathy for illegeal teachers? |
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John Henry wrote: |
So, what if you could catch a reward of mmm...one million won for an anonymous tip about an illegeal teacher? Would you do it? What if the guy was a real tool?
I personally don't feel much sympathy for someone that gets caught teaching illegally. They (should) know the seriousness of the penalty. They are choosing to do something illegeal. I worked hard to get my degree, why should they be able to cheat?
ALthough, in the past, I've had some buddies/acquaintences that I knew were illegeal, and I didn't say sheyat. BUT, if there was some dumbass that I wanted gone, or if I could take a stab at a dirty wongjangnim, I'd probably do it for some dough.
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The reward has nothing to do with it. I have no sympathy for them.
http://www.immigration.go.kr/indeximmeng.html
Click on "PARTICIPATION"...
see the link that says, "report of immigration offense"...
and I won't be in it for the profit.
If you are qualified... then get legal and stay legal...
If you are not qualified, then either get qualified or get FxxCKED...
I don't want an unqualified doctor looking at me...
or an unqualified lawyer... even if he can talk a good line of BS...
and FRANKLY, I don't want some backpacker teaching my kids either.
I often give unbiased and honest advice....
and my opinion comes the same way.
Feel free to flame away... I have my flameproof underware on today. |
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NearlyKorean

Joined: 15 Mar 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Sympathy for illegeal teachers? |
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Feel free to flame away... I have my flameproof underware on today. |
How could I flame something I agree with 100%? |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't. Doing something like that has gotta have some sort of karma effect. I'd feel kind of weasly after. After all, illegal teachers aren't exactly murderers. |
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NearlyKorean

Joined: 15 Mar 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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jacl wrote: |
I wouldn't. Doing something like that has gotta have some sort of karma effect. I'd feel kind of weasly after. After all, illegal teachers aren't exactly murderers. |
But they are the reason I have to jump through 10,000 hoops to be legal.
I would do it in a heart beat. |
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LL Moonmanhead
Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Location: yo momma
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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What kind of fines/punishment could the hagwon that is knowingly employing a bunch of illegal teachers expect? |
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jmbran11
Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Location: U.S.
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject: You guys are the tools! |
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How miserable a person you must be to rat out someone else for doing something you don't have the balls to do!
I'm sick of everyone ragging on the "illegals," like it hurts you personally: keeps wages down, ruins our good names, demeans the profession, blah, blah, blah!
I can't believe you would compare an unlicensed doctor to an "illegal" English teacher. Get off your high horse! The fact that you went to university, or filled out the visa form, or kiss your boss's ass doesn't make you that special or qualified. It doesn't mean you're a great teacher. And, if you are a great teacher, you have nothing to worry about from Joe Schmoe down the block giving lessons. He's no reflection on you, and if you're happy with yourself, you aren't going to care about him anyway. Live and let live.
Who cares if someone else makes a buck? If they get caught, so be it. But you guys are super petty. Whining constantly about how it's illegal is no excuse. In the Western world, do you call the cops every time your friend goes 5 miles over the speeding limit, downloads a CD for free, or smokes a joint? Yeah, you probably do, if it would make you somehow feel superior.
And, I am here legally, in case you'd assume otherwise and turn me over the gestapo. |
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Gideon

Joined: 24 Feb 2004 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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NEVER!! I would never do that.... i don't support people who do privates..
com'on people.. like you've never downloaded a movie, or music from the net.. you're not angels.
and yes its the same thing.. You break the copyright right laws or you teach english privately.. give me a break.. so what it makes it difficult for others to get "real" jobs.. its teaching english.. like thats suppose to be a high qualified job here in korea.. please.. dont make me laugh.. Like it or not but illegal teaching is always going to be a problem in korea and it wouldnt surprise me if one day they make it legal like japan.
Shout at me if you want.. but its the reality here.. and its exploited not only by illegals working here but the owners will try to out source you if they can.. not all.. but many do.. its a double etched sword.
you cant just put all the blame on the "illegals". Both are just as responsible!!! |
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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Location: Yongsan
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Well, there are two different ways to work illegally.
First, is by doing privates on top of your typical working schedule. Whether it be one kid at his house, or at a hagwon, I don't care. I have no problem with somebody trying to supplement their income if they are already working legally somewhere else. Although, I am too lazy to do it myself, if somebody else wants to, all the power to them.
The second way is with false credentials and not having a degree. These people I don't give a shit about. Although, I would go to the trouble to rat them out myself, if somebody else did, that's fine. They shouldn't be here, they are taking jobs they aren't qualified by law to do. The whole job is a gamble and the house always wins in the long run, so rat them out. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: You guys are the tools! |
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jmbran11 wrote: |
How miserable a person you must be to rat out someone else for doing something you don't have the balls to do!
I'm sick of everyone ragging on the "illegals," like it hurts you personally: keeps wages down, ruins our good names, demeans the profession, blah, blah, blah!
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So if I am unwilling to break the laws in the country of my residence and I think that being a law abiding citizen is the appropriate thing to do I must be a miserable person.
So at what point should I seek to have the laws enforced? At what point should I start to obey the law and where is accpetable to break them at a whim.
Oh, sorry, I guess the laws only apply to some people and not others?
Where do we draw the line?
How about FRAUD. Crime or just caveat emptor?
Illegal teachers and the places that employ them are committing FRAUD. PLAIN and simple.
If you support the crime of FRAUD... perhaps I can interest you in a bridge that I have for sale? |
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alexh
Joined: 13 May 2006
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: You guys are the tools! |
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Eh, if you do the online degree and the hakgwon knows, would I rat them out? Well, if the illegal was bragging about his/her feat sure why not. They're the dumb@ss to let the cat out of the bag. If I suspected someone was illegal, would I be super secret squirrel and try to expose them? None of my darn business! So if you don't have any hard evidence and you rat on them, and they happen to be illegal...well, then you're the tool.
ttompatz wrote: |
jmbran11 wrote: |
How miserable a person you must be to rat out someone else for doing something you don't have the balls to do!
I'm sick of everyone ragging on the "illegals," like it hurts you personally: keeps wages down, ruins our good names, demeans the profession, blah, blah, blah!
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So if I am unwilling to break the laws in the country of my residence and I think that being a law abiding citizen is the appropriate thing to do I must be a miserable person.
So at what point should I seek to have the laws enforced? At what point should I start to obey the law and where is accpetable to break them at a whim.
Oh, sorry, I guess the laws only apply to some people and not others?
Where do we draw the line?
How about FRAUD. Crime or just caveat emptor?
Illegal teachers and the places that employ them are committing FRAUD. PLAIN and simple.
If you support the crime of FRAUD... perhaps I can interest you in a bridge that I have for sale? |
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rothkowitz
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Why would they give a foreigner 1.000.000?
Never happens. |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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No sympathy. But, I dont think I would go out of my way to jack the person. There would have to be something more, like drugs, sleaze, etc. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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poet13 wrote: |
No sympathy. But, I dont think I would go out of my way to jack the person. There would have to be something more, like drugs, sleaze, etc. |
It all comes back to.....
When is a crime a crime and when is a crime NOT a crime and when should you just ignore it... where do you draw the line?? It is a very slippery slope indead. Maybe we should all go back to "caveat emptor" buyer beware... and carry a six-gun on our hip cause we are a law unto ourselves.
When does FRAUD = fraud and when is it just a nothing.... Some frauds are worse than others?
How about ENRON.... just a little fraud... no-one was really hurt were they? No drugs or sleeze there. A few people lost a bit of money was all.
So if a parent is paying a hakwan and the teacher is just a white backpacker it is alright... the fact that the family who is trying to do the best for their kid has to spend large amounts of money doesn't matter.
Somehow it is different from ENRON?
What degree of fraud or theft is acceptable? Shoplifting is acceptable? How about if it is only a chocolate bar. How about a pair of jeans? How about a car? Where is the line?
If I am a guest in your home and I see someone stealing from you, should I tell you or just let it go? It was just a pack of smokes. How about if it was the diamond ring from your jewel box?
Our host country has seen fit for whatever reason to make laws to govern their country. I am a guest here. If I see you stealing from my host, I will tell him. The next person I protect with my old fashioned morals may be you or your family.
Ya, I know... ethics are for rich old people...
Sorry guys... can't buy into this one...
For those of you with a warped moral code... the only thing that silence brings is more crime.
May you never be a victim.... but when you become one... well.. it was just a little crime...wasn't it? |
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