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Sympathy for illegeal teachers?
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Wishmaster



Joined: 06 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The frivolity never ends. You guys jabbering away like a bunch of grannies at a nursing home...over what? Ooohh, fake degrees...lying...teaching privates. OOOOhhh, the horror...the horror. Please, instead of focusing on your insect sized lives and consistently proving your lack of intellect, try to fix other things that are wrong out there. I know that these little crappy English instruction jobs are like gold to you but most people back in the "real" world don't give a crap. The way that Korea bungles the whole "illegal teaching of Englisheeee"...they should consider themselves fortunate because they sure wouldn't have a chance in hell of controlling some of the things that other places have to deal with on a daily basis.
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alexh



Joined: 13 May 2006

PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was 30 seconds of my life I'll never get back! Everyone in this room is now dumber for reading that.

Wishmaster wrote:
The frivolity never ends. You guys jabbering away like a bunch of grannies at a nursing home...over what? Ooohh, fake degrees...lying...teaching privates. OOOOhhh, the horror...the horror. Please, instead of focusing on your insect sized lives and consistently proving your lack of intellect, try to fix other things that are wrong out there. I know that these little crappy English instruction jobs are like gold to you but most people back in the "real" world don't give a crap. The way that Korea bungles the whole "illegal teaching of Englisheeee"...they should consider themselves fortunate because they sure wouldn't have a chance in hell of controlling some of the things that other places have to deal with on a daily basis.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, there's no way to compare illegal English teaching with other crimes, because nobody is ever solicited by perfectly normal families to do crimes that the family assumes to be perfectly legal. IOW, no neighbourhood ajummas get together (as far as I know) to pool their money to score a few ounces of weed to get high, but they will get together to pool their money to find a private teacher. The government has no interest in getting the message across to regular Koreans that it's illegal and that people can be fined and kicked out of the country for it.
Why? Because in visa relations between countries, it looks good to have a certain number of illegals kicked out of your country. When the US and Korea meet to discuss visas the US will say "look, we have x number of Korean illegals in our country and we might want to tighten up the visa system." - to which Korea says "Ah hah! But look, we have y number of US illegals in our country, so what do you think of that?" Were they to mount a national campaign to tell the average Korean that privates are absolutely illegal 1)they would lose a chip in negotiations, and 2)regular Koreans would go WTF? What a stupid law! After all your lip-service to English education you kick people out of the country for teaching outside of their one hagwon?

So yes, this thread is 99% apples and oranges. Countries with sweet visa regulations with other countries don't care about small potatoes like English teaching, and they certainly don't care about your salaries. The only oher reason why the government would be interested is regarding inequality in education for those who can afford private teaching and those that can't, but if that were the only issue it would be easier to just put a cap on private teaching rates, and they could get some more tax revenue from it too.
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TheFonz



Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: North Georgia

PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alexh wrote:
That was 30 seconds of my life I'll never get back! Everyone in this room is now dumber for reading that.

Wishmaster wrote:
The frivolity never ends. You guys jabbering away like a bunch of grannies at a nursing home...over what? Ooohh, fake degrees...lying...teaching privates. OOOOhhh, the horror...the horror. Please, instead of focusing on your insect sized lives and consistently proving your lack of intellect, try to fix other things that are wrong out there. I know that these little crappy English instruction jobs are like gold to you but most people back in the "real" world don't give a crap. The way that Korea bungles the whole "illegal teaching of Englisheeee"...they should consider themselves fortunate because they sure wouldn't have a chance in hell of controlling some of the things that other places have to deal with on a daily basis.


I was thinking the same thing. Laughing

He refuses to waste his time by talking about such a small issue. So instead he uses his post to insult everyone who would talk about this issue. hmmm the word hypocrite comes to mind.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wishmaster....if I have to read drivel like that, I think you should pay me for my time.

please send me 150 won. 30 seconds @ 18000/hour.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alexh wrote:
That was 30 seconds of my life I'll never get back! Everyone in this room is now dumber for reading that.

Wishmaster wrote:
The frivolity never ends. You guys jabbering away like a bunch of grannies at a nursing home...over what? Ooohh, fake degrees...lying...teaching privates. OOOOhhh, the horror...the horror. Please, instead of focusing on your insect sized lives and consistently proving your lack of intellect, try to fix other things that are wrong out there. I know that these little crappy English instruction jobs are like gold to you but most people back in the "real" world don't give a crap. The way that Korea bungles the whole "illegal teaching of Englisheeee"...they should consider themselves fortunate because they sure wouldn't have a chance in hell of controlling some of the things that other places have to deal with on a daily basis.



I completely agree.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
First of all, there's no way to compare illegal English teaching with other crimes, because nobody is ever solicited by perfectly normal families to do crimes that the family assumes to be perfectly legal. IOW, no neighbourhood ajummas get together (as far as I know) to pool their money to score a few ounces of weed to get high, but they will get together to pool their money to find a private teacher. The government has no interest in getting the message across to regular Koreans that it's illegal and that people can be fined and kicked out of the country for it.
Why? Because in visa relations between countries, it looks good to have a certain number of illegals kicked out of your country. When the US and Korea meet to discuss visas the US will say "look, we have x number of Korean illegals in our country and we might want to tighten up the visa system." - to which Korea says "Ah hah! But look, we have y number of US illegals in our country, so what do you think of that?" Were they to mount a national campaign to tell the average Korean that privates are absolutely illegal 1)they would lose a chip in negotiations, and 2)regular Koreans would go WTF? What a stupid law! After all your lip-service to English education you kick people out of the country for teaching outside of their one hagwon?

So yes, this thread is 99% apples and oranges. Countries with sweet visa regulations with other countries don't care about small potatoes like English teaching, and they certainly don't care about your salaries. The only oher reason why the government would be interested is regarding inequality in education for those who can afford private teaching and those that can't, but if that were the only issue it would be easier to just put a cap on private teaching rates, and they could get some more tax revenue from it too.


If they put a cap on private teaching rates, many of those who teach illegally would just keep on teaching illegally. After all, they are doing it to make money. Whether you are illegal because there's a law against it or illegal because you are not reporting the income wouldn't matter much to them. If they are prepared to break a law regardless, it doesn't matter much what new laws you put in.

And I don't see how they would lose a chip in negotations. Way back when I came to Korea I read something about Immigration law stating that if a Korea citizen or citizens are denied entry to a certain county, they reserve the right to deny entry to a equal number of citizens from said certain country.

Nor do I think the average Korean would really care. Most of them really don't spend a lot of time thinking about us. As for the ones who hire us, I'm fairly sure they either know it's illegal or the foreign teacher tells them it is. After all it would be the height of stupidity for a foreign teacher not to tell them to keep quiet or else if the mom is talking to another mom and saying "Little Jin-su is being taught by a foreign teacher.." You never know who might overhear.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're most certainly not aware that it's illegal. If anything they think that maybe for tax purposes you can get nabbed, but fines and deportation? No. The average person thinks work visa = allowed to work.
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