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tuckerg76
Joined: 24 May 2006 Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject: Newbie Looking for school info -Ochang GnB English Institute |
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Hello, I am a recent university graduate from Canada, I have an offer to teach at Ochang GnB English Institute. Firstly if anybody is teaching here could you share your thoughts about this school? The school is located at Ochang-myeon, Cheongwon-gun, Choongbuk. I've been googling these with little luck up to now, so if anyone has experience in the area please share. I have been told that the school is located 15 minutes outside of the city of Cheongju. Any help here would be greatly appreciated.
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pet lover
Joined: 02 Jan 2004 Location: not in Seoul
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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I know nothing about the school, but here is a tip for future reference. When you want to know about a school, post its name and location in your thread title so that people familiar with it will notice it. You have a better chance of getting some answers than if you just hope that the right people happen upon a thread with a vague title. Good luck!  |
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tuckerg76
Joined: 24 May 2006 Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the advice, i revised my post title accordingly:)
The recruiter told me location was 15 minutes from Cheongju. The other location info is pasted directly from the contract. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 1:51 am Post subject: |
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tuckerg76 wrote: |
Thanks for the advice, i revised my post title accordingly:)
The recruiter told me location was 15 minutes from Cheongju. The other location info is pasted directly from the contract. |
I am sure that it is in the south east part of the country. Busan is your nearest big city. I could be mistaken because romanization of Korean place names is NOT always consistant.
Now as to your school.......
It's a chain hakwon. You get the SAME message that every other newbie coming over here should have drilled into them.
This is a repeat from many previous messages and hasn't changed in years.
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Get e-mail addresses of more than one current teacher. Talk / e-mail them when the boss is NOT there and they are free to be honest with you.
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-Ask specific questions about shifts, start times, finish times, breaks, and pay issues. (a schedule of class, no class, class, no class, class just plain sucks). Lots of dead time that you can't do anything with.
-How do they calculate your "teaching hours"? How many CLASSES per month.
-OVERTIME, pension, and medical insurance are often issues of contention. Many hakwons fail to pay any of these. ASK!!!
- Ask about the housing - including quality of the apartment, management fees and utility costs. Your "free" apartment may cost you more than 150k won per month.
Feel free to ignore this advice... but you do so at your own peril.
Asking here is NOT the same as doing your homework and proper research.
There are TOO MANY hakwons in Korea and they often change names or owners when things get nasty. A year is a long time to spend in a crap hakwon 1/2 a world away from anything that you know and recognise.
CHECK FIRST HAND...... CHECK FIRST HAND.... CHECK FIRST HAND......
Good luck in your search.
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ANY and every good school will be willing to supply references.
If the school is uanble or unwilling to give you the names and e-mails of the current teachers then end your communication with them. A year is far too long to live in hakwan hell.
CHECK FIRST HAND...... CHECK FIRST HAND.... CHECK FIRST HAND...... |
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tuckerg76
Joined: 24 May 2006 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 9:37 am Post subject: |
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thx for added advice, my worry is about offending any possible employers, i have not yet had any contact with the school, but here are some items from the contract in original phrasing:
Employment terms and Conditions:
The primary responsibilities of the employee are as follows:
A. Curriculum design and implementation.
B. Development of educational programs and materials.
C. Field activities for and or with students.
D. Grading and evaluation of students.
E. Student counseling.
F. Attendance at teachers' meetings and workshops.
G. School promotional activities.
H. Other teaching related activities.
Employee will teach classes for 120 hours a month from Monday through Friday (one lesson period is 50 minutes). If the employee teaches more than 120 hours, he/she will be paid 20,000 won for each extra hour. The working hours used for primary responsibilities of Article 1 are not considered as overtime with the exception school promotional activities. The employer shall pay a monthly salary of Korean 2.2 million won. Payment shall be made on the 30th of each month worked by the employee. Korean income tax (3.3 %) shall be deducted from the employee's salary according to Korean income tax law.
a) Severance payment
Employee will be given, exclusive of monthly salary payments, an additional 1/12th(one-twelfth) of one month's total earning for each month of employment since commencement of employment with employer. One month's total earnings are calculated on the average earnings of the three months preceding termination. In the event that the employee does not renew employment under a subsequent employment agreement with employer; this payment will be made at the time of termination.
b) Vacation and Holidays
Employee will be given 10 business days for vacation (five days in summer and five in winter) and is entitled to observe all public holidays throughout the calendar year.
c)Dismissal or voluntary resignation: Employer will have the right to dismiss employee for unwillingness or inability to meet conditions of employment as set out under this agreement, for conduct seriously jeopardizing any student or staff person, or for criminal activity.
d) In the event that Employee is dismissed, or in the event that Employee voluntarily resigns prior to the termination of the term of this agreement, Employer will pay salary due to date of termination. Employer will not pay the cost of return transportation to point of departure for Employee, nor will Employer pay any severance pay. Further, employer will be entitled to withhold an amount less than or equivalent to, but not exceeding the cost of air fare provided for travel to Korea.
Housing
Employer will arrange and pay for furnished housing for the period of the contract. Employee shall pay living expenses including electricity, water, gas, oil, phone bills, and etc. Meals are not provided. Employee is required to deposit one month's rent (KW400,000).
Airfare
Employer agrees to reimburse Employee for one-way airfare, according to the following rules.
1. In order to receive airfare reimbursement, Employee must give Employer the original airplane ticket and the receipt for the payment of airfare to the travel agency.
2. If the Instructor terminates his/her contract prematurely, he/she must repay this airfare reimbursement to the Employer. In such a case, this reimbursement will be deducted from his/her paycheck.
Upon completion of a one year contract, Employer agrees to provide Employee with return airfare to point of departure.
My biggest concern is the airfare and severance, i have heard some stories of people working all year to get canned in the last month and losing airfare and severence. Is this really a common practice if you've worked well? As for speaking to current teachers, my hope is that one will stumble across all this and perhaps enlighten me, but if that doesn't happen over the next week i will ask for contact info directly. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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tuckerg76 wrote: |
thx for added advice, my worry is about offending any possible employers, i have not yet had any contact with the school, but here are some items from the contract in original phrasing:
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Don''t worry about offending any possible employers....
10,000 jobs... 6,000 applicants....
They won't be worried about offending you... in fact a bad hakwon will go out of their way to offend you, cheat you, steal from you and lie to you.
If they are offended at the list I gave you... then RUN VERY QUICKLY AWAY.
ANY and EVERY good school will agree to and allow what what was put in my earlier post.
Let me rephrase that again for you:
ANY and EVERY good school will agree to and allow what what was put in my earlier post.
CHECK FIRST HAND...... CHECK FIRST HAND.... CHECK FIRST HAND......
If the school is uanble or unwilling to give you the names and e-mails of the current teachers then end your communication with them. A year is far too long to live in hakwan hell.
IF they don't, then they have something to hide and they are not a place you want to spend a year.
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Some of the points in your "contract brief" are not good...
A, C, G, H are all ways to say unpaid overtime.
it says 120 hours then goes on to say lesson periods are 50 minutes. Does that mean you teach 120 x 50 minute classes (6000 contact minutes) or 144 classes (120 x 60 minute hours @ 50 minutes per class)?
d) voluntary resignation: You should REPAY NOTHING if you have finished 6 months or more of your contract.
Housing: deposits are ILLEGAL unless you agree to them in writing in advance. DELETE.
Like I have said before and will probably say MANY, MANY times again in the future... the relationship between you and your boss means much more than your contract. Most of these contracts are boiler plate copies are are worth about the same as the paper they are printed on.
IF the boss wants to break the contract in his favor you usually have NO recourse. You are not back home in Podunk anymore.
TALK to the current staff (via e-mail so they can talk when the boss ISN'T listening). TALK to more than one!!!!! |
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tuckerg76
Joined: 24 May 2006 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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I have just been speaking with another person from the recruiting agency. i have asked if it would be possible to speak with some teachers from the school, and it was explained to me that i would be the schools first teacher! Is this too much to expect from a newbie? Also I believe it is 144 classes per month, at least that is how i interpret the contract. I think if i accept the offer, as 1st teacher i will be doing A LOT of unpaid overtime since the school will be just starting and all. If anybody has some 'new school' stories i'd love to hear them. I have not made any decisions yet, but my gut is telling me maybe i should look at other oppurtunities. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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tuckerg76 wrote: |
I have just been speaking with another person from the recruiting agency. i have asked if it would be possible to speak with some teachers from the school, and it was explained to me that i would be the schools first teacher! Is this too much to expect from a newbie? Also I believe it is 144 classes per month, at least that is how i interpret the contract. I think if i accept the offer, as 1st teacher i will be doing A LOT of unpaid overtime since the school will be just starting and all. If anybody has some 'new school' stories i'd love to hear them. I have not made any decisions yet, but my gut is telling me maybe i should look at other oppurtunities. |
Does the phrase, "SUCKER FOR PUNISHMENT" have any meaning for you?
This is a SUPER competetive business and if it is a NEW franchise and you are a newbie teacher... that is a combination for a year from hell.
Find another place (and probably another recruiter as well.) Tell your recruiter that you want a place that has been in operation for a few years, has MORE THAN ONE native speaker AND any other things that are important to you.
A recruiter is nothing more than an introduction. They introduce you to the new school, collect their fee and they are GONE. Now you either sink or swim (ON YOUR OWN).
To them, you are just a commission. The faster they place you in a crap place, the faster they get paid and can move over the horizon to the next commission.
10,000 hakwan jobs.... 6000 applicants per year... DON'T SETTLE FOR 9997th best. KEEP LOOKING. |
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tuckerg76
Joined: 24 May 2006 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, sucker for punishment is probably a good way to put it. I've been scouring these forums for gnb info and so far they've had a majority of negative reviews. It seems to be because their operation depends greatly on what each owner is like. The recruiter is set to call me again tommorow and i will probably sever ties with them at that point. Thanks for taking the time to write and share views. |
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