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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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The Marquette School of Engineering requires students to attend class:
http://www.eng.mu.edu/pages/Home/Current_Students/Academic_Policies/Attendance/
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A. Because absence from class will prevent a student from getting the full benefit of a course, and because in many courses each student's involvement contributes to the learning process for all other students in the class, attendance is mandatory for every exercise of a course in which a student is registered. Excessive absences may result in lower grades or withdrawal from the class. Students should notify their College and their instructors if they have, or know they will be, absent for an extended period of time
B. Students registered in any course offered by the College of Engineering are bound by this attendance policy even if they are enrolled in another college, program, or division of the University. It is the responsibility of each student to know and follow the College's class attendance policy and any specific attendance regulations of his/her instructors. |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 1:43 am Post subject: |
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Guilford College in Greensboro, North Carolina also grants the Dean the right to withdraw students if they miss too many classes:
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Class Attendance
Attendance and interaction during class are integral to the education provided at Guilford, and College policy fundamentally emphasizes individual instructors' rights to set limits on the number of absences allowed in a given course. In further support of individual instructors, however, the College grants the Associate Academic Dean the right, following a consultation with the faculty member of record, to withdraw a student administratively from any course in which he or she has reached the number of absences listed below. Faculty are encouraged to inform students ahead of time if they are approaching the limits indicated below, but since class attendance is absolutely the responsibility of the student, faculty are not required to do so. In no way should these limits be interpreted by students as maximum allowable absences. Instead they represent the point at which College policy authorizes administrative withdrawal; a student with this number of absences will have missed twenty percent of a given course, and fairness to other students dictates the administrative withdrawal.
Courses meeting once per week, full semester: three absences
Courses meeting twice per week, full semester: six absences
Courses meeting three times per week, full semester: nine absences
Courses meeting four or five times per week, full semester: twelve absences
Courses meeting once per week, Fast Track: two absences
Courses meeting twice per week, Fast Track: four absences
Summer school courses, five-week session: four absences
Summer school courses, ten-week session: three absences
If this withdrawal occurs prior to the published last day to withdraw with a W grade, the student will be awarded a grade of W. If this withdrawal occurs after that day, the faculty member will award the student either a WP (withdrawn passing) or WF (withdrawn failing) grade, the former of which has no effect on the cumulative grade point average but the latter of which is figured into the cumulative grade point average as a zero. No tuition refunds will be granted for administrative withdrawals other than those allowable under policies published in the College catalogue.
Teachers and/or academic departments are free to set their own more stringent attendance policies for their classes. Students on academic probation are permitted no unexcused absences. |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 1:47 am Post subject: |
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San Antonio College clearly states in their policy that attendance should be recorded by the professors without exception!!!
http://www.accd.edu/sac/econmics/attend.htm
SAN ANTONIO COLLEGE ATTENDANCE POLICY as stated on this website:
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| Absences of each student are recorded without exception from the official date of his/her enrollment. The counting of absences begins on the first day of a student's enrollment in the course after classes begin. A student absent the equivalent of two weeks of instruction in a regular semester may be dropped by the instructor. |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 1:58 am Post subject: |
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http://web.clas.ufl.edu/users/creed/PoliticalScience/PoliSciRequirements.htm
Dr. Creed Greer of the university of Flordia on his Writing in Political Science syllabus clearly states:
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| Attendance is, of course, required and is a substantial portion of the participation grade. Every absence over three lowers your final average by 50 points or one half of a letter-grade. |
So to make a statement that American professors don't count attendance is ridiculous.
Last edited by JZer on Mon May 29, 2006 3:42 am; edited 1 time in total |
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kimchikowboy
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 2:27 am Post subject: |
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The clearest, simplest argument I know of against the absurdity of grading curves is from Jane Smiley's novel, Moo. It's set on a university campus and one of the characters is a pompous economics professor who announces to his intro class of 400 on the first day that the class is graded on a curve. So 10% of them will fail no matter how well they do.
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Actually, that is the policy of my department. |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| JZer wrote: |
http://web.clas.ufl.edu/users/creed/PoliticalScience/PoliSciRequirements.htm
Dr. Creed Greer of the university of Flordia on his Writing in Political Science syllabus clearly states:
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| Attendance is, of course, required and is a substantial portion of the participation grade. Every absence over three lowers your final average by 50 points or one half of a letter-grade. |
So to make a statement that American professors don't count attendance is redicules. |
Not only redicules, but also Hercules.
Are you doing this on purpose? |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 3:03 am Post subject: |
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| To Tiger Beer, in your situation: I would probably award a C to the senior student and let it stand, unless you strongly felt that a D was more appropriate. If I were feeling particularly kind-hearted about it I might give a senior a C+ if they appealed the grade in a decently written letter or interview. |
C or C+ it is.
I saw her again today.. you could see the embarrassment/shock when I showed her her final resume and it looking exactly the same as the 1st and 2nd versions just different formats.
Not the sharpest of students.. her shock/embarrassment was so high.. I literally took her to the computer room during the 10-minute break.. and we very quickly corrected it together and I emailed it back to her correctly.
Today we had graded mock interviews.. and I could see she actually took it extremely seriously.. still extremely weak and shy.. but I could actually see strong improvement in her.
Anyways.. C or C+ it is. |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 3:43 am Post subject: |
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| Are you doing this on purpose? |
I must have hit some wrong keys. I was late for class and did not read what I typed. |
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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Dear Lemonade,
I never said whether or not I worked at a hagwon. If you must know, I worked for a hagwon for 1 year. I've worked at the University level in Korea for 5 years.
When I wrote that higher education is a must in an ideal or western university, I meant for someone to teach there. God, do I have to spell everything out for you?
http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/itsv/1105/ijse/tobash.htm
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The learner is expected to attend class. At many institutions, the professor sets the attendance policy. At others there may be an institution-wide attendance policy established; e.g., students are expected not to miss more than three classes. It is not uncommon�and at some institutions it is mandatory�for attendance to be monitored. Often poor attendance will affect the final grade (see sidebar) a student receives. Also, some professors give "pop" (i.e., unannounced) quizzes. If a student is not there, he or she misses the quiz, which can also hurt the student's final grade.
http://www.tech.purdue.edu/academics/graduate/weekend_grad/weekend_grad_policies.cfm
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Attendance at every class meeting is mandatory. Attendance during each weekend session and each weekend session class is mandatory.
Missing ANY part of on campus instruction will result in 10% reduction of the student's final grade, per day, per course enrolled.
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:ye7Qkv6UNdYJ:policy.rutgers.edu/faculty/pucher/473SYLL05.pdf+Mandatory+Attendance+US+University&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=25
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Class attendance is mandatory, since you cannot possibly participate in discussions if you are not even in class! Students will be expected to participate actively in class discussion and should plan to do the required readings in advance of class meetings most weeks in order to be able to participate effectively.
http://wings.buffalo.edu/aru/DrugIssues.html
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Class attendance and participation in group discussions constitute an important component of the course. The mandatory attendance period begins 01 February and continues through 14 April. Students are permitted to miss two class periods during this time, after which each missed class period retroactive to the first two missed classes results in an attendance grade reduction of 5% (i.e., the third missed class period lowers the attendance grade to 85% -- the letter grade equivalent of a "B"). There are no excused absences for missed class periods -- you must be present to receive credit for participation. Students with commitments that conflict with the class meeting times and that might miss more than two of the mandatory attendance periods should withdraw from the course. Students are encouraged to attend all of the class periods, but only the 20 class meetings during the mandatory attendance period are used for calculating the attendance grade.
http://www.aar-site.org/syllabus/syllabi/religion_news_media_and_american_culture-frisina.html
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Attendance: Class attendance is mandatory. Attendance will be taken daily. More than 2 unexcused absences will result in grade reductions according to the following scale:
3 absences - 1/3 grade
4 absences - 2/3 grade
5 absences - full grade
6 absences - F for the course
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Come on Lemonade, you challenged us to come up with 5 examples of mandatory attendance, and we found them for you. Time for you to fess up to your own mistake, as much as it might hurt the old ego! |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 8:41 am Post subject: |
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I give you all F's and D's. F for "Facking" and D for "Dummies".  |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| What would C stand for, that's what I wanna know. |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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Hanson, the reality is that Lemonade was too lazy to do a 5 minute internet search to make sure he was correct before insisting he was correct. He could have avoided criticism and correct the mistake himself if he would have only took 5 minutes to determine the truth.
I am guessing that at the very least 10 percent of US professors have attendance policies that will lower students grades if they miss to many classes. Of course Lemonade only said "U.S. professors don't take attendance". I am guessing the at least 50 percent do. I imagine that even many of the ones who don't penalize students for absenteeism still keep track of who attends class. |
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