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On the other hand
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| My problem with the CFR is that it is one of a number of organisations whose existence, membership and agendas exist in a bit of a blind spot in mainstream media. |
Notwithstanding the fact that you can buy their Foreign Affairs magazine at newstands everywhere, and read capsule summaries of its articles on Slate.
http://www.slate.com/id/2133713/ |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Rense strikes me as an unreliable source of data and analysis |
Rense is merely an alternative info. clearing house, loaded with editorials & analysis.
A lot of the stuff he hosts "eventually" makes its way into the mainstream press.
Tom Flocco, meanwhile, ( whose stories Rense sometimes posts ) is an author whose "work" one should be especially on guard.
CNN: Be the first to "know"?
BAH!!! |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
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| Rense strikes me as an unreliable source of data and analysis |
Rense is merely an alternative info. clearing house, loaded with editorials & analysis.
A lot of the stuff he hosts "eventually" makes its way into the mainstream press.
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Why didn't you just tell us this before? And you should tell Joo he'll need to know.
Now that you've put it in this light, I'll start visiting Rense alot more often- clearly he gets the real news before most other sources do, I hadn't realized that before. So what's currently oin Rense that you see him as being ahead of the curve on? What story is he following now that you imagine will eventually break into the mainstream? |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Possibly that human to human bird flu transmission now seems to be happening. I don't know if they were the first, but they are pretty on top of that particular issue.
http://www.rense.com/general71/fflu.htm
also from New Scientist
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6912
Might be a good time to look to your health, make sure your body's not run down and vulnerable to disease at the moment. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Now lets talk about you. |
Still avoiding the question. Hmmmmmmm ...
Not interested in coming clean on who runs Wikipedia.
Now why might that be? |
This exchange started when I said that the American Free Press was a hate organization . I show you wikipedia you asked " who runs it"
then I showed you another source about the AFP. The AFP are a hate organization. Now lets talk about you. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Just as there is an enormous diversity of individuals, so there is a diversity of opinions. I contend that in American mainstream media, there is very little diversity of opinion, which leaves the internet as the sole outlet for the rest - no surprise that these conspiracy sites contain such an enormous amount and variety of information. It's plainly wrong to discredit all information here because they appear in a site that has a link to someone who suggests the truth is not being told about the holocaust (JOO!), but we need to be careful we don't apply a less obvious form of the same reasoning to dismiss something out of hand that may have some validity. |
The fact that they write what they do about the holocuast along
witht the other stuff they put out is strong evidence of a political agenda.
Why ought we just accept them as people looking for answers. It is far more likely that they are looking to spread propaganda.
If you read something on a David Duke or a Klan site against African Americans it is possilbe that what they say is true yeah I guess IT IS POSSIBLE . Nevertheless I am not going to put much value in what is there cause I know those like them have an agenda is misinform for their politcal gains and furthermore they are not acountable for their disinformation misinformation and slander.
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| Joo,you made several references to alternative points of view to the official line as being enemy propaganda. I contend that the enemy doesn't have a monopoly on propaganda. The current administration are MASTERS of spin and propaganda. We wonder these days how the German people allowed the Nazi govt to commit such horrendous atrocities in their name - perhaps one tool at their disposal was to discredit any objection was to discredit objections as enemy propaganda. It's a dangerous argument to make. Governments can, and do, do things they shouldn't, especially when given carte blanche by their own citizens. |
that might all be true never theless the by in large the whole conspiracy movement is just a bunch of professional disinformation artists who write what they do for a sick and evil political objective.
If you are so into free speach why do you seem to be so against any sort of discussion on objectives , agenda , the motives and ultimately the credibility of the conspiracy theorists? Why are they above being questioned? |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006
Location: Suwon
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The fact that they write what they do about the holocuast along
witht the other stuff they put out is strong evidence of a political agenda. |
Exactly what political agenda do you see in what "they" say?
Also, does having a political agenda invalidate what you have to say?
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| Why ought we just accept them as people looking for answers. It is far more likely that they are looking to spread propaganda. |
Everyone's spreading propaganda! I thought that was normal.
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| If you read something on a David Duke or a Klan site against African Americans it is possilbe that what they say is true yeah I guess IT IS POSSIBLE . Nevertheless I am not going to put much value in what is there cause I know those like them have an agenda is misinform for their politcal gains and furthermore they are not acountable for their disinformation misinformation and slander. |
I've got no problem with that, you just think everyone with an opinion divergent from the official line is a David Duke.
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| that might all be true never theless the by in large the whole conspiracy movement is just a bunch of professional disinformation artists who write what they do for a sick and evil political objective. |
I'd say exactly the same about the pro Israeli or Zionist organisations who enforce the various taboos associated with Israel.
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| If you are so into free speach why do you seem to be so against any sort of discussion on objectives , agenda , the motives and ultimately the credibility of the conspiracy theorists? Why are they above being questioned? |
I object to them being conveniently and ignorantly lumped together under one big label and then that artificial entity ridiculed and taken down without addressing the points raised.
I like discussing this stuff, but it annoys me when people use illogical or unreasonable argument. I fully appreciate it happens on both sides, but I think the holders of non conventional viewpoints often argue better. This may be because their arguments are formed under adversity and take a constant battering, and are more robust as a result. If you habitually use arguments such as "but he's a holocaust denier", "he's crazy", "that would just never happen" or "Ha ha, EVERYONE knows thats not true!", then you aren't really exercising your faculties of logic. And if you don't exercise something, it gets weaker. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Exactly what political agenda do you see in what "they" say? |
Go after a certain group that they don't like.
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| Also, does having a political agenda invalidate what you have to say? |
It makes wonder if they are not lying and misinforming. Indeed they probably are.
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Everyone's spreading propaganda! I thought that was normal. |
not like them. besides they are not accountable
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| I've got no problem with that, you just think everyone with an opinion divergent from the official line is a David Duke. |
they are with him in many ways.
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| I'd say exactly the same about the pro Israeli or Zionist organisations who enforce the various taboos associated with Israel. |
really like what. Some of them are stupid but tell us some of their "myths"
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| I object to them being conveniently and ignorantly lumped together under one big label and then that artificial entity ridiculed and taken down without addressing the points raised. |
when you take down one of their points they just come up with another conspiracy theory and say disprove that. at some point it is time to ask them for their motives.
If they keep crying wolf and they are showed to tell lies then no one ought to believe them any more and instead it is time to look at the source of the charges.
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I like discussing this stuff, but it annoys me when people use illogical or unreasonable argument. I fully appreciate it happens on both sides, but I think the holders of non conventional viewpoints often argue better. This may be because their arguments are formed under adversity and take a constant battering, and are more robust as a result. If you habitually use arguments such as "but he's a holocaust denier", "he's crazy", "that would just never happen" or "Ha ha, EVERYONE knows thats not true!", then you aren't really exercising your faculties of logic. And if you don't exercise something, it gets weaker |
again their posts show an agenda, intentional distortions and now it is time to look at the source. Once they have been shown to be dishonest then it is time to look at the accuser instead of just trying to answer their charges. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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ISRAELI INFLUENCE
Is 9-11 "Truth" Movement Sponsored by the Israeli Lobby?
PDF by Victor Thorn
http://www.nogw.com/download/2006_911_israel.pdf
George Noory s Coast-to-Coast AM radio show. The only 9-11 figures who are ever full-fledged guests on his show are those who belong to the club i.e. those who unflinchingly protect Israel at any cost.
Alex Jones: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Dave von Kleist: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
9-11 Truth.org: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Dylan Avery: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Jim Hoffman: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Paul Thompson: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Webster Tarpley: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Carol Brouillet: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Kyle Hence: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
David Ray Griffin: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Nicolas Levis: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Phil Berg: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Bob Bowman: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Mike Ruppert: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Tom Flocco: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Jenna Orkin: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Paul J. Watson: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Wayne Madsen: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Jimmy Walter: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Gabriel Day: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Janice Matthews: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
David Kubiak: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Les Jamieson: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
M. Chossudovsky: refuses to examine Israel�s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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THE BLOODY REIGN OF EHUD OLMERT
AND HIS TIES TO 9/11
Christopher Bollyn
The first two months of Ehud Olmert's term as Israel's prime minister have been described as "the bloodiest, deadliest and the most criminal period of the 58-year-old state of Israel."
Although the controlled press overlooks the new Israeli leader's crimes, Olmert's ties to the convicted Israeli criminal who controlled airport security at Boston airport on 9/11 cannot be ignored.
Although Zionism is probably the most potent force influencing U.S. politics, it is safe to say that it remains a political philosophy woefully misunderstood by the majority of the U.S. population. Although President George W. Bush and his war cabinet are clearly Zionists advancing the Zionist agenda, an agenda which is promoted and supported by nearly every member of Congress, Zionism and its bloody history are subjects which most Americans know virtually nothing about.
While American universities offer courses and degrees in practically every subject imaginable, a college curriculum offering a critical examination of Zionism and its history is not to be found.
This public's general ignorance of Zionism, its goals and history, is compounded by the controlled media, which grossly distorts and misinterprets Zionism to make this most un-American philosophy appear to be something familiar and benevolent to Americans. The well-documented bloody history of Zionist terror and ethnic cleansing, something which is well known to all Israelis and Palestinians, is strange and unknown terra incognita to most Americans, primarily due to academic and media censorship.
After the terror attacks of 9/11, which a large body of evidence indicates involved Israeli intelligence agents, and with more than 150,000 Americans engaged in costly and disastrous wars in the Middle East, it is simply no longer sustainable for Americans to remain blissfully ignorant of political Zionism.
ZIONISM AND COMMUNISM
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=89761
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:57 am Post subject: |
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of the American Free Press.
Why ought anyone believe him? |
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