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Mark7
Joined: 22 May 2006
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 4:54 am Post subject: Need Advice - Want to Travel and want Job in January |
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Hi,
I'm new to this whole thing. Any advice on where and how to start looking for English teaching in Korea would be very helpful.
A little about myself and some questions:
1. I have relatives in Korea, is it possible when looking for a job to ask the potential employer to not have to pay for an apartment and let me instead stay with a cousin or aunt? It would save them money.
2. What should I put on my resume that looks appealing?
3. What places are more inclined to hire if you do not have a TEFL degree, yet just a regular college degree?
4. Does skin color play a role? (I'm a bi-racial Korean)
5. Can consultants/recruiters be trusted?
6. Is teaching English over there fun, or can it be very tedious and difficult?
7. Pay good? Contracts good?
8. Anyone can hook me up with a job?
Thanks,
Mark7 |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 5:08 am Post subject: Re: Need Advice - Want to Travel and want Job in January |
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Mark7 wrote: |
Hi,
I'm new to this whole thing. Any advice on where and how to start looking for English teaching in Korea would be very helpful.
A little about myself and some questions:
1. I have relatives in Korea, is it possible when looking for a job to ask the potential employer to not have to pay for an apartment and let me instead stay with a cousin or aunt? It would save them money.
2. What should I put on my resume that looks appealing?
3. What places are more inclined to hire if you do not have a TEFL degree, yet just a regular college degree?
4. Does skin color play a role? (I'm a bi-racial Korean)
5. Can consultants/recruiters be trusted?
6. Is teaching English over there fun, or can it be very tedious and difficult?
7. Pay good? Contracts good?
8. Anyone can hook me up with a job?
Thanks,
Mark7 |
Quick answer to your questions would actually be another 2 questions
Do you know what a FAQ is?
Have you read the FAQs?
Getting a Job - Things You Need to Know
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=20656
1 - Getting A Job covers:
Resumes, Applications & Interviews
Do I Need a Degree?
Will I be Able to Save Money?
What Sort of Salary and Working Condition Should I Expect?
Should I Use a Recruiter?
Will I Have a Problem Finding a Job Because I am Not White?
among other things....
did I miss anything??? Oh yea... try the next FAQ... how about a whole page of pages of answers to the FAQs?
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewforum.php?f=7
Now... if you are planning to come here for a year.... and you have had what it took to get a degree in anything... then I assume that you would understand the requirement for a little basic research.
If you can't spend the time to read your face off for a couple days... then travelling here to be a teacher is probably NOT a good choice for you.
IF you have some specific questions that are NOT answered in the FAQs, I would be more than happy to answer them for you.
Last edited by ttompatz on Tue May 30, 2006 6:03 am; edited 1 time in total |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 5:42 am Post subject: Re: Need Advice - Want to Travel and want Job in January |
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Great example of why a newbie forum might be a useful addition to dave's. Someplace where a new inquirer isnt subjected to rude & unwarranted comments such as this:
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... and an illiterate person who wants to be a teacher.... |
No reason research cant begin with an inquiry to this board, & fact is the faq's here are a dog's breakfast of old news, misinformation, & just a bit of straight information. Get off your high horse, ttompatz.
With due respect, Mark7, you might give them a browse, or also try here: http://wiki.galbijim.com/Portal:Teaching_in_Korea
Best luck in your endeavor. We're not all unkind to strangers. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 6:03 am Post subject: |
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You're planning on working here in January? You're about six months early. As with many business decisions here, Korean schools tend to put off hiring teachers until the last minute. It's way too early to be looking for a January job now. December would be a better time to start, or maybe November for a uni or public school job.
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1. I have relatives in Korea, is it possible when looking for a job to ask the potential employer to not have to pay for an apartment and let me instead stay with a cousin or aunt? It would save them money. |
No one forces you to stay in school-sponsored housing, except for maybe the English villages.
If you tell prospective employers that you don't need housing, of course they will be happy to save a buck by not offering it to you. If you really don't want an apartment from them, you should try to get a housing allowance out of them (W300,000/month is pretty typical).
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2. What should I put on my resume that looks appealing? |
Um, what kind of background do you have? Any kind of teaching experience is always good. Any kind of TEFL certs can't hurt. An English or education major. A Ph.D. from Harvard in TESOL....
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3. What places are more inclined to hire if you do not have a TEFL degree, yet just a regular college degree? |
More inclined to hire you? Dodgy kiddie hogwons, of course. TEFL certs, education background, English major, etc., are feathers in your cap but as long as you have a bachelors degree and a passport from one of the 7 officially Korean Immigration-recognized English-speaking countries (US, Canada, UK, Ireland, Australia, UZ, South Africa) you are more than qualified for hogwon work.
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4. Does skin color play a role? (I'm a bi-racial Korean) |
Unfortunately, yes. Many hogwon owners and students' parents will doubt your ability to speak English as a native speaker if you don't have lily-white skin. This does not mean you cannot get hired, but this will close some doors for you. Thankfully, these are probably doors you'd rather not go through anyway. Be sure to enclose a photo so you do not surprise any bigoted bosses.
The upshot is that you should be eligible for a kyopo visa (F4?), which means you have a lot more freedom than we non-ethnic Koreans. You're eligible to work wherever and whenever you want, including privates, pretty much just like a citizen.
I don't have any personal experience, but I've heard that the public schools tend to be a bit less likely to discriminate on this basis. That has its own set of pitfalls and advantages compared to hogwons, but it might be a good option for you.
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5. Can consultants/recruiters be trusted? |
Of course not. Take everything they say with a salt-shaker. Unfortunately, recruiters have access to probably the majority of advertised jobs here, so they are a pretty unavoidable fact of life for most job-seekers here. Just be sure to use them the way they want to use you.
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6. Is teaching English over there fun, or can it be very tedious and difficult? |
Yes.
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7. Pay good? Contracts good? |
This is what you should be able to achieve in your first contract in a kiddie hogwon with no special experience or other qualifications. I have been strongly advising newbies here for quite some time not to accept any less than the following:
Son Deureo! wrote: |
2.0 million for 120 teaching hours/mo
free non-shared apartment
roundtrip airfare from and to the nearest international airport to your home
block shift (no more than 8 hours between your daily start and finish time, get that in writing)
health insurance, 50% of premium paid by you, 50% by employer
Monday-Friday schedule, NO SATURDAYS
2 weeks vacation
all national holidays off (no need to make them up)
any overtime is optional, paid at the rate of 120% of your standard hourly pay |
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8. Anyone can hook me up with a job? |
Sure, I often recommend complete strangers posting on the internet to my employer.
Seriously, there are plenty of jobs available here. Try emailing your resume out to some recruiters and hogwon chains, as well as posting it on this site and you will probably be deluged with all kinds of job offers (albeit many of them subpar). It probably won't take you long to find something. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 6:16 am Post subject: |
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Son Deureo! wrote: |
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Is teaching English over there fun, or can it be very tedious and difficult? |
Yes. |
Well put! |
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Mark7
Joined: 22 May 2006
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 6:24 am Post subject: ttompatz - You're a up Straight up Jerk |
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Hey ttompatz,
Did you just call me illiterate? Why, because I wrote "pay good? contracts good?" It was early in the morning when I wrote this, what did you want, an beautiful essay with a thesis of "why I want a job in Korea?" Fool, don't judge someone because of how someone writes. You pompous jerk, if you don't want to help and want to act like a high nose to newbies, then do not respond, you're simply wasting my time, you starry-eyed chipmunk. I'm looking into this seriously, and the last thing I need is some garbage-spewing person like yourself trying put in some sly remark and act prideful because you got a job teaching. Your piss-poor attitude must translate to the classroom and into your relationships, making you a miserable person hopelessly searching for the meaning of life. I highly suggest you rethink of how you approach people and stop acting like you can judge someone whom you never met or never seen. Sheesh, people like you remind me that for every ten polite people I meet in life, there will always be one who will be mean because they are empty and do not know how to relate to people.
Your comment made me disappointed because its people like you who try to ruin people's day for others. Instead, you've inspired me even more to stand up to haters like you who try to elevate their own selves on a platform that does not exist. Have a nice day though. I was looking for a job here with some humbleness, inquiring people like you for the best advice out there. Yet your comment was distasteful and uncalled for and was not a good way for me to start searching. If you think I'm "illiterate," just keep it to yourself and suck it up, you reject, no-respect person. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 7:31 am Post subject: Re: ttompatz - You're a up Straight up Jerk |
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Mark7 wrote: |
Hey ttompatz,
Did you just call me illiterate? Why, because I wrote "pay good? contracts good?" It was early in the morning when I wrote this, what did you want, an beautiful essay with a thesis of "why I want a job in Korea?" Fool, don't judge someone because of how someone writes. You pompous jerk, if you don't want to help and want to act like a high nose to newbies, then do not respond, you're simply wasting my time, you starry-eyed chipmunk. I'm looking into this seriously, and the last thing I need is some garbage-spewing person like yourself trying put in some sly remark and act prideful because you got a job teaching. Your piss-poor attitude must translate to the classroom and into your relationships, making you a miserable person hopelessly searching for the meaning of life. I highly suggest you rethink of how you approach people and stop acting like you can judge someone whom you never met or never seen. Sheesh, people like you remind me that for every ten polite people I meet in life, there will always be one who will be mean because they are empty and do not know how to relate to people.
Your comment made me disappointed because its people like you who try to ruin people's day for others. Instead, you've inspired me even more to stand up to haters like you who try to elevate their own selves on a platform that does not exist. Have a nice day though. I was looking for a job here with some humbleness, inquiring people like you for the best advice out there. Yet your comment was distasteful and uncalled for and was not a good way for me to start searching. If you think I'm "illiterate," just keep it to yourself and suck it up, you reject, no-respect person. |
Hi, I can write. I should be a teacher. My sh?t don't stink so give me a job. DUHHHHHHH Hello Homer...
If this thread had been your first post... or those had been questions that you haven't had a chance to read the answers to then I would not have been so quick to comment. But it wasn't. You have been here for a while and made several posts that have all been answered in an appropriate fashion.
AND in spite of my quick comment that I had edited out 30 minutes after I wrote it.... you still can't read... re:
If you can't spend the time to read your face off for a couple days... then travelling here to be a teacher is probably NOT a good choice for you.
IF you have some specific questions that are NOT answered in the FAQs, I would be more than happy to answer them for you.
Get serious here troll bait....
This is not gonna be a vacation at Grandmas house this time. The real world is gonna rise up and hit you like a ton of bricks real soon after you get off the plane.
So to put this in a nutshell.....
Piss off twit.
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Mark7
Joined: 22 May 2006
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:29 am Post subject: Chill Out |
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Okay man (or woman), just chill dude, don't spaz out, gosh, you seem so angry, I'm not going to argue anymore of who said what, because that's not why I'm here. Of course you are right that I posted other topics on this board, and that's because I'm trying to get all sorts of opinions and comments about this line of work. They did answer my questions fine and well, but I need to probe more and more and see what's up with this line of work from an assortment of people. Also, I knew you edited and reposted your remark above, but still, I saw it, it was very hurtful, and it was uncalled for, okay? Even the second poster said something about it too, so don't trip playa. Be very careful what you say, I don't care if you are thousand miles away wherever in Korea or you're next door to me, the words you say can hurt, and also gives you a bad impression about yourself. You also said I should read my face off about those FAQs, well right now I can't because I'm really busy with a full-time job and will not have time to sit down until later...so right now I just want to hear just snippets and comments from other experienced people. Please consider what you say before you say it, because not only its hurtful to others, but it hurts yourself because you are judging based on what you see.
So, I just want to say, I forgive you for your comments and for the future, be nice and start caring, it'll take you far. |
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Mark7
Joined: 22 May 2006
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: ttompatz reply |
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Ha,
The funniest thing about ttompatz's reply to my tirade was:
"Hi, I can write. I should be a teacher. My sh?t don't stink so give me a job. DUHHHHHHH Hello Homer..." - a 1st grade reply. "Hello Homer" is a reply from the early 90's.
"Your sh** does not stink?" So, he basically gave morning doo doo to his employer and that's probably how he got a job! Wow. Real smart there homeboy, if it don't stink, then sell it!
The funniest thing he called me troll bait, what is that? Okay...
He sounds like a character from a fighting game made from Capcom or something: "P* off twit." Ouch, playa, that hurtz and dem some. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:53 am Post subject: |
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Dude, now you're just arguing with yourself.
Give it up. |
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