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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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 Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:05 am Post subject: yes |
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Gopher, you type like an educated man. Cudos to you for not having to resort to insults.
BB, I do remember having heated words with you about 2 years ago, but I don't remember threatening you. If I did, I was prolly drunk. But anyways, you like to insult me yet prove nothing.
OTOH, you try to call me a racist yet throw a left handed slap at Korean men. GOOD JOB!! By the way, my wedding isn't until October, so I am not an ajosshi yet.
Also, you take a figurative statement and tell me to prove it to be true. Nice arguing with you man.
The book references, while nice, just prove that there are a few educated people from Africa. A few is still a few.
The monkey reference is from an English expression:
'If you give a monkey a gun, and it shoots someone, you don't blame the monkey.'
-Well given this, you guys like to blame western countries for Africa's wars. Is this not a proper comparison?
I fully believe that if we (meaning white people, since we all seem to be brushed with the same smear paint) didn't sell them weapons, they would just kill each other with knives instead.
If you want some links about Africa, I would be happy to send them. Just PM me.
You guys are way too PC to see the truth.
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:18 am Post subject: |
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OTOH, you try to call me a racist yet throw a left handed slap at Korean men. GOOD JOB!! By the way, my wedding isn't until October, so I am not an ajosshi yet.
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It was a reference to the "waygook ajossi" thread, the point of which was not that Korean men are bad, but that behavior normally attributed to Korean men only can also be found among ex-pats. Admittedly, that context might not have been apparent in my post.
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| Also, you take a figurative statement and tell me to prove it to be true. Nice arguing with you man. |
Okay. So you are completely unaware that "monkey" has an entire documented history as a racist slur against black people, intended to suggest that they are less than human. Fine, I can buy that. You're not racist, just totally ignorant. My apologies. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:23 am Post subject: yes |
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The word racist is just an attack. It's supposed to make me defend the attack, and forget what I was arguing about in the first place. Bait...not taken.
The monkey comment....I usually attribute it to a person with a lower sphere of thinking. Someone who would...for example, kill another person just because they were handed a weapon by someone else. If you consider that to be blacks, then you said it, not me.
I guess we are to blame, you know. Us white bad guys. We're so bad. I forgot. Thanks for educating me teach-ah. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:48 am Post subject: |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: Africa's "First World War": 4 Million Dead... |
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LUBUMBASHI, Democratic Republic of Congo (CNN) -- Confronted with atrocious accounts of rape committed by members of the Congo military, Congolese President Joseph Kabila at first was silent -- then found his voice, saying "It's shocking."
"These kinds of acts are simply unforgivable."
The father of a young girl, Kabila was commenting after watching an exclusive CNN report from last week in which women, children and a doctor described an array of sex crimes by the Congolese military -- some of whom used knives to rape their victims.
Kabila, a former military man, appeared shaken after the report. He watched it and watched it again, shifting uncomfortably in his seat each time he heard a victim's horrific story, shaking his head and narrowing his eyes.
Locals say soldiers from one ethnic group are systematically raping and mutilating women from another group, with the intention, they say of destroying their child-bearing capabilities.
Kabila was quick to acknowledge that more than 300 former soldiers have been convicted and jailed for sexual crimes, but admitted that is not enough.
"We clearly need to do more for our citizens," he said.
"But just imagine for a moment a country as large as all of Western Europe with few roads and little infrastructure. It's a difficult terrain to police and Congo doesn't have an effective policing system. But after the election, all this will change. If elected, I will make this one of my first priorities."
Kabila is the transitional president, appointed to the job after the assassination of his father in January 2001. He hopes to be the first democratically elected leader since Congo gained independence in 1960.
A U.N. report earlier this month found that physical violence against civilians by members of the security forces is "reported wherever army and police are deployed."
The report went on to say that rapes and other sexual violence against women and girls are occurring throughout the country, with the "main perpetrators being army and police officers."
How can such crimes be happening with such impunity under his presidency?
"It's shameful that soldiers anywhere are allowed to do such things," he said. "That's why I want to be president. I want to change this. I want to make security one of my first priorities so that these and other acts come to an end once and for all."
Five years ago, Kabila was catapulted to power after his father, then-President Laurent Desire Kabila, was assassinated in an attempted coup. Joseph Kabila was then 29 years old and the army chief of staff, having spent half his life in the military.
He saw a peace deal signed more than three years ago attempt to halt a bloody war that began in 1998 and drew in no less than six other African countries -- Uganda, Rwanda, Congo, Angola, Zimbabwe and Zambia -- in what Africa analysts dubbed the continent's First World War.
That conflict killed an estimated 3.9 million people, and despite the accord, fighting and lawlessness abounds... |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa/05/31/congo.rape/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa/05/28/coverstory.tm/index.html |
I don't get it. Did he or didn't he know these crimes are being commited? |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 2:59 am Post subject: yes |
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I don't know what you wanted exactly by posting it. Did you want us all to post and say 'Oh what a shame'. 'It's horrific'. Things like that? If so, I think that way too.
I am just beyond caring. If you asked me 3 years ago, I would have cared.
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Dude: you are just a different version of BLT Trainer, with a different ideology but the same M.O. (including slang or baby-talk in your text) nevertheless.
You have taken this thread and turned it into the Jerry Springer Show, which was not at all my intention when I created it.
This is disappointing and I guess I'll just have to abandon it.
Note to mods: if any of you want to delete this thread for its outright racist content, no skin off my back. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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I don't know what you wanted exactly by posting it. Did you want us all to post and say 'Oh what a shame'. 'It's horrific'. Things like that? If so, I think that way too.
I am just beyond caring. If you asked me 3 years ago, I would have cared. |
Please read your words again (and again, probably necessary). I don't know what you wanted exactly by posting it. Contradictory and I think it reflects your own lack of "ethos". Take some time and be quiet. Figure yourself out and what you want. Then come back and talk to us. You are definitely without any center.............
Good luck.
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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As I've said time and again.....the biggest tragedy for Africa was the colonial powers ceding government before time.
No insult to Africans: but they weren't prepared for self rule under the modern system that was thrust upon them. They haven't, and under present conditions,can't adapt to the new era. If you think about it...they were living under a tribal system..as hunter-gatherers and nomadic pastoralists, since time immemorial. These huge cultural, linguistic, religious and ethnic differences are as varied as the geography and landscapes of that continent: they could not merge into nation states in such a short time, and traditional customs are not well matched to the sudden demands of the 20th century.
Africa is extremely rich in natural resources and the people rich in spirit: but the natural equilibrium was totally upended by the arrival of the white man, his technology and weapons. They're still in recovery and so long as corruption is seen as a normal extension of their age old tribal systems, they will not advance | | |
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