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[Troll_Bait]

I just finished watching the K-1 bout between Holland's Semmy Schilt and South Korea's Choi Hong-man.

Schilt connected with numerous jabs and kicks to the thighs and opened a cut over Choi's eye (because of which the referee stopped the bout so that it could be treated by ringside medical staff).

Choi was his usual self --wild, swinging punches and clumsy kicks that didn't connect.

Nevertheless, the judges awared the bout to Choi by a two-to-one majority.

I think that Schilt won the fight, but the decision was given to Choi so that K-1 wouldn't pi$$ off the hometown crowd and lose the Korean market.

What do you think?

Am I reading too much into this?

[ajgeddes]

I didn't see the fight, so I don't know about who should've won. However, I have watched a lot of K-1 in the past, and the judging have never seemed fair. They always try to appease the hometown crowd. This is one of the big reasons why I don't watch it anymore.

[semphoon]

It's true. In Japan, the foreign fighter seldom wins on decision.

Choi was lumbering and slow like he usually is (did he attempt a flying knee ..BWHAHHAHHAHA) , but I knew he would take the decision.

From what I saw the crowd was excellent so hopefully Seoul will have more k1 events.

Semmy should have been given the decision.

[philthy]

Yes, the crowd was great and actually very respectful to all fighters (and actually booed the two korean "comics" at one point for lack of effort). It was my first trip to a K-1 match and it won't be my last. It was worth the money (5 hours with 12 fights) and great seats next to the fighters' side entrance.

The judging though is suspect at times, like in Japan when I believe it was Karaev and Musashi, where the decision went to the home-town boy and I had to give my head a shake.

This time, I thought the judges were going to call the Schilt/Choi match a draw to get another round. They gave it to Choi. A surprise but not a travesty. I'll need to see the fight again on tv to see if Choi really should have won. That's the only problem with going to the fight is that you get few replays. My opinion was Schilt won though.

[Hater Depot]

How does one get tickets?

[philthy]

[Rteacher]

I don't think that it even came close to being a "travesty of justice". (The title of this thread is more of a travesty )

To conclusively prove my point, I'll quote from the undisputed (by anyone with a good brain ) expat authority on practically everything worth knowing:

I'm not that familiar with the exact guidelines of K-1 scoring, but I am well-versed in boxing standards. Since there is a subjective element inherent in balencing various factors such as ring generalship, aggressiveness, effect of power punches and total punches landed there is usually a hometown factor (even if there's not a fix...) caused by the crowd's accentuating the positive things done by the local favorite.

This is especially true when the match is fairly close, and neither guy clearly demonstrates overall dominance. Although Shilt scored more frequently with his low kicks, they didn't seem to have much effect in stopping Choi's aggressiveness, and Choi landed the only power shots in the fight. Actually, at one point near the end of the second round Shilt - under a heavy barrage - actually turned his back on his opponent. In boxing rules, that signifies a fighter's wanting to quit the match, and it is usually stopped whenever that occurs. (I realize that K-1 differs because some fighters use spinning kicks and punches...)

Considering his lack of K-1 experience, Choi , because of his imposing size and strength, has made several K-1 stars look bad - or at least way off their game. It would be interesting to see how tough guy Ray Sefo matches up with him because he is very strong, has good speed and an unorthodox style. I think that Choi is too big and strong for Aerts at this stage of the great Dutch fighter's career...

[anyway]

"To conclusively prove my point, I'll quote from the undisputed (by anyone with a good brain ) expat authority on practically everything worth knowing"

Uh, why didn't you use the quotation marks in that other thread?

Plagiarist!

[Rteacher]

"Anyway", you're (... ahh fogetabotit! )

[Not much chance of this one making anyone's "greatest quotes" list, eh?]

[Dan The Chainsawman]

just post yourself again

[Troll_Bait]

[SMKOREA]

Semmy came to the ring about 10 minutes after the fight and gave Choi a high 5/hug. Great sportsmanship, especially coming from someone who got robbed.

[Css]

I dont think much of Choi...but i just saw that fight and both of them looked pretty dire.

[Rteacher]

Checking the official K-1 guidelines for scoring (on their official website) it seems that (surprise! ) "Rteacher" was more accurate (than "Troll_Bait") in his analysis because "effectiveness" (of punches and kicks) and "aggressiveness" are clearly listed among the scoring criteria used by judges - not only number landed... (note that "extent of damage inflicted" is given a higher priority than "number of clean hits landed"...)

Article 10 � JUDGING CRITERIA
Awarding of points shall be based on the following elements:
Whether an effective and accurate attack is acknowledged, and damage is inflicted on the opponent by authorized blows.
Points will be awarded in this priority:
Number of downs
Extent of damage inflicted on the opponent
Number of clean hits
Degree of aggressiveness (points in the offensive)
The dominant fighter shall be awarded a score of ten (10), and points shall be deducted from his opponent.
http://www.so-net.ne.jp/feg/k-1gp/etop.htm

Regarding the influence that a partisan crowd has on judges - of course there's some influence because judges can't see everything. Due to blocked vision or a bad angle, a particular judge may not clearly see a scoring punch, etc., but may decide that there was one based on the crowd noise...

Generally - unless obviously the result of a big punch or kick - cuts around the eyes don't figure that much into scoring because even a glancing blow (or clash of heads) can cause them. Because of the high risk of serious eye injuries, and the danger of blood from cuts above the eye impairing a fighter's vision, they routinelyl stop the action to have any cut around the eye area examined by a physician...

[Troll_Bait]

From here.