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On the other hand
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 Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:07 am Post subject: RFK jr. argues 2004 election was stolen |
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Haven't had time to give this a close read, but it comes from a mainstream magazine, and was written by a guy not generally considered to be fringe. Thought some people here might be interested in it.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen
And yeah yeah, I know. Texas, Chicago, 1960 and all that. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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It is in his interest to claim such.
By the way Kerry voters were probably more likely to be activists so of course they would participate in exit polls more actively.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1397565/posts
By the way Bush did better in 2004 in every state he lost in both 2000 and 2004.
Add that in.
It is a good topic but it is kind of like the october suprise that every one says about Regan and Bush in 1980. It is just opportunistic scandaling. Like what the Republicans did to Clinton . It wasn't right for them to do it then and it isn't right for Democrats to do it now. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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If it wasn't stolen, then all I can conclude is that Americans deserve what they are getting.
I have a problem with Joo's analysis. Why is it that exit poll results were considered the most accurate way of predicting and or monotoring elections the world over, but suddenly in America they are "skewed to Kerry" and considered unreliable?
The whole thing stinks to high heaven. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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are exit polls so good?
As I said Bush did better almost nation wide. Of course you don't like the results. But a least you can't vote. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Yes I can........just not in America.
by the way, have a look at this:
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/06/06/con06219.html
June 2, 2006
How They Stole Ohio
The GOP 4-step Recipe to 'Blackwell' the USA in 2008
Abracadabra: Three Million Votes Vanish
AN EXCLUSIVE BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION
by Greg Palast
Heads up! Catch Robert Kennedy Jr., Mike Papantonio and Greg Palast this next Saturday, June 10th, on Air America's 'Ring of Fire' on the shoplifting of the last election & and the next one.
This is a fact: On November 2, 2004, in the State of Ohio, 239,127 votes for President of the United States were dumped, rejected, blocked, lost and left to rot uncounted.
And not just anyone's vote. Dive into the electoral dumpster and these "spoiled" votes have a very dark color indeed.
In another life, I taught statistics. And these statistics stank: the raw data tells us that if you are a Black voter, the chance of you losing your vote to technical errors in voting machinery is 900% higher than if you were a white voter.
Any guesses as to whom those African-Americans chose for president on those junked ballots? Check Ohio's racial demographics, do the numbers, and there it is: Kerry won Ohio. And that, too, is a fact. A fact that could not get reported in the USA.
But the shoplifting of those votes in Ohio was just the tip of the theft-berg. November 2, 2004 was a national ballot-box bonfire. In total, over three million votes (3,600,380 to be exact) were cast -- marked, punched, pulled -- YET NEVER COUNTED. I'm not talking about the Ukraine or Uganda. I'm talking about the United States of America "with liberty and justice for all."
Well, not "all." The nine-to-one Black-to-White ballot spoilage rate is a national statistic -- not just an Ohio trick. Last year, I flew to New Mexico to investigate the 33,981 cast but not counted ballots of that state in the 2004 race. George Bush "won" New Mexico by 5,988 votes. Or did he? I calculated that, of all the ballots rejected and "spoiled," 89% were cast by voters of color. Who won New Mexico? Kerry won -- or he would have, if they had counted the ballots. |
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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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Okay, not the Ohio thing again.
Seems par that Bush's cronies could have thrown a curve here and could have executed some under-the-table executive priviledge.
Right after the election the media had a field day with this and then after the vote count was considered valid after a day or two possibly, it was dropped like a fly.
I believe some entity/group wanted the issue looked at legally. Did that ever come about? Maybe it's listed in the article in this forum that I didn't really read.
And how would miscounted affect the decisions of an electorate? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
Yes I can........just not in America.
by the way, have a look at this:
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/06/06/con06219.html
June 2, 2006
How They Stole Ohio
The GOP 4-step Recipe to 'Blackwell' the USA in 2008
Abracadabra: Three Million Votes Vanish
AN EXCLUSIVE BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION
by Greg Palast
Heads up! Catch Robert Kennedy Jr., Mike Papantonio and Greg Palast this next Saturday, June 10th, on Air America's 'Ring of Fire' on the shoplifting of the last election & and the next one.
This is a fact: On November 2, 2004, in the State of Ohio, 239,127 votes for President of the United States were dumped, rejected, blocked, lost and left to rot uncounted.
And not just anyone's vote. Dive into the electoral dumpster and these "spoiled" votes have a very dark color indeed.
In another life, I taught statistics. And these statistics stank: the raw data tells us that if you are a Black voter, the chance of you losing your vote to technical errors in voting machinery is 900% higher than if you were a white voter.
Any guesses as to whom those African-Americans chose for president on those junked ballots? Check Ohio's racial demographics, do the numbers, and there it is: Kerry won Ohio. And that, too, is a fact. A fact that could not get reported in the USA.
But the shoplifting of those votes in Ohio was just the tip of the theft-berg. November 2, 2004 was a national ballot-box bonfire. In total, over three million votes (3,600,380 to be exact) were cast -- marked, punched, pulled -- YET NEVER COUNTED. I'm not talking about the Ukraine or Uganda. I'm talking about the United States of America "with liberty and justice for all."
Well, not "all." The nine-to-one Black-to-White ballot spoilage rate is a national statistic -- not just an Ohio trick. Last year, I flew to New Mexico to investigate the 33,981 cast but not counted ballots of that state in the 2004 race. George Bush "won" New Mexico by 5,988 votes. Or did he? I calculated that, of all the ballots rejected and "spoiled," 89% were cast by voters of color. Who won New Mexico? Kerry won -- or he would have, if they had counted the ballots. |
I am glad you can't vote in the US. It is not like the enemy having a vote is a good thing.
As I said Bush did better in almost every state he lost in 2000. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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At this point, it's pretty futile to argue this. If he did cheat again, I would not be shocked at all. Once a cheater....
Just be glad he can't run for a 3rd term. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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What is america doing with voting software that can be opened with a backdoor, made my a company that has made big campaign contributions to the republicans. Jesus christ. Get your house is order. Democracy is slipping from your grasp.
The top tech country in the world, surely, can organise to have STANDARDISED voting mechanisms that are RELIABLE and NOT able to be tampered with. |
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Hollywoodaction
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It is in his interest to claim such.
By the way Kerry voters were probably more likely to be activists so of course they would participate in exit polls more actively.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1397565/posts
By the way Bush did better in 2004 in every state he lost in both 2000 and 2004.
Add that in.
It is a good topic but it is kind of like the october suprise that every one says about Regan and Bush in 1980. It is just opportunistic scandaling. Like what the Republicans did to Clinton . It wasn't right for them to do it then and it isn't right for Democrats to do it now. |
I'm disappointed in you, Joo. Whether he has something to gain or not changes nothing about the fact that the evidence that the elections were fixed is there. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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But in the battle for Ohio, Republicans had a distinct advantage: The man in charge of the counting was Kenneth Blackwell, the co-chair of President Bush's re-election committee.(43) As Ohio's secretary of state, Blackwell had broad powers to interpret and implement state and federal election laws -- setting standards for everything from the processing of voter registration to the conduct of official recounts.(44) And as Bush's re-election chair in Ohio, he had a powerful motivation to rig the rules for his candidate. Blackwell, in fact, served as the ''principal electoral system adviser'' for Bush during the 2000 recount in Florida,(45) where he witnessed firsthand the success of his counterpart Katherine Harris, the Florida secretary of state who co-chaired Bush's campaign there.(46)
Blackwell -- now the Republican candidate for governor of Ohio(47) -- is well-known in the state as a fierce partisan eager to rise in the GOP |
Such blatant, documented conflict of interest is just wrong and should be illegal. Isn't it? |
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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
By the way Kerry voters were probably more likely to be activists so of course they would participate in exit polls more actively.
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According to the father of modern polling, Lou Harris:
"Ohio was as dirty an election as America has ever seen."
'Bush, the most hated president ever, stole both elections'
by Evelyn Pringle
The latest polls say Americans now dislike Bush more than any other president including even Tricky Dick. It only took the public five and half year to see through him.
That said, I wonder how long it will take people to accept the news that Bush never won either election and the country is in such a mess that it will take 50 years to get back to how it was when Bush took office.
According to Robert Kennedy Jr's article in the June issue of Rolling Stone, "Republicans derided anyone who expressed doubts about Bush's victory as nut cases in "tinfoil hats."
Well Republicans can call me whatever they like because this nut-case is finally going to weigh in on this subject.
Bush needed Ohio. He could not win the election without Ohio and he knew it.
So just as you might expect with the Bush gang, voter fraud was rampant in Ohio, described as "the critical battleground state that clinched Bush's victory in the Electoral College," by Mr Kennedy.
I can certainly verify that allegation. I lived in Ohio at the time and I went to vote plenty early before going to work and was there when the polls were supposed to open at 6:30 am. I ended up standing out in the rain for an hour and 45 minutes and when I got inside, voters had to track people down to explain what room or voting machine to go to.
I lived in a Democratic precinct by the way. But it was worse than that in other Democratic precincts in other parts of the state.
Some people ended up standing in line for up to 12 hours. But only those people who could miss work and go without pay for a whole day and not get fired for not showing up. And as we all know those people who could not wait in line were certainly not Republicans.
I had never seen anything like it in my life.
I knew Bush stole the election by the time the polls closed in Ohio. I knew it because in working for a major media outlet, by late afternoon I knew that all the exit polls had Kerry winning. But by the time I left work to go home, the news channels were saying "all the exit polls" are wrong. Yea right, all the exit polls were wrong.
Don't people realize how impossible that would be?
I proceeded home to watch the returns and I for sure knew that Bush stole the election the minute the news programs showed him sitting with his family pretending to be all apprehensive when his face and body language told me that he somehow knew there were no ifs about it, his second term was in the bag.
After that I went to bed knowing that the damn thief had done it again.
Its worth noting here, that there were no problems with the Republicans voting. No waiting in line for hours or anything else. Check it out on the internet by reviewing the news articles in Ohio at the time, all went well in their neighborhoods.
In a nutshell, the Bush gang expects us to believe that all the screw-ups in Ohio and elsewhere, just happened to weigh against Kerry.
Check this out. A Republican precinct, in a church no less, in Miami County, Ohio recorded a 98% percent turnout, while a Democratic polling center in inner-city Cleveland recorded only a 7% percent.
And the Republicans really pulled a fast one in Warren County, when GOP election officials fabricated a nonexistent terrorist threat to bar the media from monitoring the vote count.
But there were shenanigans going on everywhere. In what Mr Kennedy describes to "be the single most astounding fact from the election, one in every four Ohio citizens who registered to vote in 2004 showed up at the polls only to discover that they were not listed on the rolls, thanks to GOP efforts to stem the unprecedented flood of Democrats eager to cast ballots."
Before the election a New York Times analysis found that new registrations in Democratic strongholds were up 250%, compared to only 25% in strong Republican counties.
And top that off that with the outright fraud that shows that upwards of 80,000 votes for Kerry in one county were counted for Bush instead. "That alone is a swing of more than 160,000 votes," says Mr Kennedy, "enough to have put John Kerry in the White House."
A few comments on the Exit Polls from the Rolling Stone article give a clear picture of this impossibility of Bush winning and all the polls being wrong.
On the evening of the vote, Mr Kennedy says, reporters at each of the major networks were briefed by pollsters at 7:54 p.m. Kerry, they were told, had an insurmountable lead and would win by at least 309 electoral votes to Bush's 174, with 55 too close to call.
In London, Mr Kennedy says, Prime Minister Tony Blair went to bed contemplating his relationship with Kerry.
"As the last polling stations closed on the West Coast, exit polls showed Kerry ahead in ten of eleven battleground states," Mr Kennedy says, "including commanding leads in Ohio and Florida - and winning by a million and a half votes nationally."
"The exit polls," he explains, "even showed Kerry breathing down Bush's neck in supposed GOP strongholds Virginia and North Carolina."
Against these odds, experts say, the statistical likelihood of Bush winning was less than 1 change in 450,000. According to the father of modern polling, Lou Harris: "Ohio was as dirty an election as America has ever seen."
"You look at the turnout and votes in individual precincts," he told Mr Kennedy, "compared to the historic patterns in those counties, and you can tell where the discrepancies are."
"They stand out like a sore thumb," he said. And let me tell you that it did stand out but the mainstream media refused to hold the "sore thumb" up for the public to see.
So how did the Republicans explain this little matter? They said that Republicans were more reluctant than Democrats to talk to the pollster when they went to vote.
Keith Oberman was the only news person giving the election fraud story the attention that it deserved, while the mainstream press was in its usual asleep at the wheel mode, just as it has been since Bush took office.
And due to the press not broadcasting the truth, the public apparently bought that ridiculous line just like people bought the lies about weapons of mass destruction and the yellow cake uranium nuclear threat that they were spoon-fed by the press.
The Bush gang could not have pulled half of the stunts they have gotten away since 1999, had the people in the mainstream media been doing their job.
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http://smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=26364&mode=nested&order=0 |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
It is in his interest to claim such.
By the way Kerry voters were probably more likely to be activists so of course they would participate in exit polls more actively.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1397565/posts
By the way Bush did better in 2004 in every state he lost in both 2000 and 2004.
Add that in.
It is a good topic but it is kind of like the october suprise that every one says about Regan and Bush in 1980. It is just opportunistic scandaling. Like what the Republicans did to Clinton . It wasn't right for them to do it then and it isn't right for Democrats to do it now. |
I'm disappointed in you, Joo. Whether he has something to gain or not changes nothing about the fact that the evidence that the elections were fixed is there. |
What is the evidence. Such would be one of the stories of the decade |
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wannago
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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| R. S. Refugee wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
By the way Kerry voters were probably more likely to be activists so of course they would participate in exit polls more actively.
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????????????????????????????????????????
According to the father of modern polling, Lou Harris:
"Ohio was as dirty an election as America has ever seen."
'Bush, the most hated president ever, stole both elections'
by Evelyn Pringle
The latest polls say Americans now dislike Bush more than any other president including even Tricky *beep*. It only took the public five and half year to see through him.
That said, I wonder how long it will take people to accept the news that Bush never won either election and the country is in such a mess that it will take 50 years to get back to how it was when Bush took office.
According to Robert Kennedy Jr's article in the June issue of Rolling Stone, "Republicans derided anyone who expressed doubts about Bush's victory as nut cases in "tinfoil hats."
Well Republicans can call me whatever they like because this nut-case is finally going to weigh in on this subject.
Bush needed Ohio. He could not win the election without Ohio and he knew it.
So just as you might expect with the Bush gang, voter fraud was rampant in Ohio, described as "the critical battleground state that clinched Bush's victory in the Electoral College," by Mr Kennedy.
I can certainly verify that allegation. I lived in Ohio at the time and I went to vote plenty early before going to work and was there when the polls were supposed to open at 6:30 am. I ended up standing out in the rain for an hour and 45 minutes and when I got inside, voters had to track people down to explain what room or voting machine to go to.
I lived in a Democratic precinct by the way. But it was worse than that in other Democratic precincts in other parts of the state.
Some people ended up standing in line for up to 12 hours. But only those people who could miss work and go without pay for a whole day and not get fired for not showing up. And as we all know those people who could not wait in line were certainly not Republicans.
I had never seen anything like it in my life.
I knew Bush stole the election by the time the polls closed in Ohio. I knew it because in working for a major media outlet, by late afternoon I knew that all the exit polls had Kerry winning. But by the time I left work to go home, the news channels were saying "all the exit polls" are wrong. Yea right, all the exit polls were wrong.
Don't people realize how impossible that would be?
I proceeded home to watch the returns and I for sure knew that Bush stole the election the minute the news programs showed him sitting with his family pretending to be all apprehensive when his face and body language told me that he somehow knew there were no ifs about it, his second term was in the bag.
After that I went to bed knowing that the damn thief had done it again.
Its worth noting here, that there were no problems with the Republicans voting. No waiting in line for hours or anything else. Check it out on the internet by reviewing the news articles in Ohio at the time, all went well in their neighborhoods.
In a nutshell, the Bush gang expects us to believe that all the screw-ups in Ohio and elsewhere, just happened to weigh against Kerry.
Check this out. A Republican precinct, in a church no less, in Miami County, Ohio recorded a 98% percent turnout, while a Democratic polling center in inner-city Cleveland recorded only a 7% percent.
And the Republicans really pulled a fast one in Warren County, when GOP election officials fabricated a nonexistent terrorist threat to bar the media from monitoring the vote count.
But there were shenanigans going on everywhere. In what Mr Kennedy describes to "be the single most astounding fact from the election, one in every four Ohio citizens who registered to vote in 2004 showed up at the polls only to discover that they were not listed on the rolls, thanks to GOP efforts to stem the unprecedented flood of Democrats eager to cast ballots."
Before the election a New York Times analysis found that new registrations in Democratic strongholds were up 250%, compared to only 25% in strong Republican counties.
And top that off that with the outright fraud that shows that upwards of 80,000 votes for Kerry in one county were counted for Bush instead. "That alone is a swing of more than 160,000 votes," says Mr Kennedy, "enough to have put John Kerry in the White House."
A few comments on the Exit Polls from the Rolling Stone article give a clear picture of this impossibility of Bush winning and all the polls being wrong.
On the evening of the vote, Mr Kennedy says, reporters at each of the major networks were briefed by pollsters at 7:54 p.m. Kerry, they were told, had an insurmountable lead and would win by at least 309 electoral votes to Bush's 174, with 55 too close to call.
In London, Mr Kennedy says, Prime Minister Tony Blair went to bed contemplating his relationship with Kerry.
"As the last polling stations closed on the West Coast, exit polls showed Kerry ahead in ten of eleven battleground states," Mr Kennedy says, "including commanding leads in Ohio and Florida - and winning by a million and a half votes nationally."
"The exit polls," he explains, "even showed Kerry breathing down Bush's neck in supposed GOP strongholds Virginia and North Carolina."
Against these odds, experts say, the statistical likelihood of Bush winning was less than 1 change in 450,000. According to the father of modern polling, Lou Harris: "Ohio was as dirty an election as America has ever seen."
"You look at the turnout and votes in individual precincts," he told Mr Kennedy, "compared to the historic patterns in those counties, and you can tell where the discrepancies are."
"They stand out like a sore thumb," he said. And let me tell you that it did stand out but the mainstream media refused to hold the "sore thumb" up for the public to see.
So how did the Republicans explain this little matter? They said that Republicans were more reluctant than Democrats to talk to the pollster when they went to vote.
Keith Oberman was the only news person giving the election fraud story the attention that it deserved, while the mainstream press was in its usual asleep at the wheel mode, just as it has been since Bush took office.
And due to the press not broadcasting the truth, the public apparently bought that ridiculous line just like people bought the lies about weapons of mass destruction and the yellow cake uranium nuclear threat that they were spoon-fed by the press.
The Bush gang could not have pulled half of the stunts they have gotten away since 1999, had the people in the mainstream media been doing their job. |
This article is a big, stinking pile of shit. If this loony liberal had bothered to check the history on her claims of Bush being the "most hated president ever" she certainly would have seen that, yes, Harry Truman (famous DEMOCRAT) had the lowest ratings ever at 23% as he left office.
As for the rest of it? I just love the part about this crappy author watching TV and seeing W's body language that told her he "somehow knew" that he would win. You liberals are so damn cute with your stories! I just wanna hug ya! Or maybe have Pat Robertson leg press you or something.
Look, we heard all of these oh-so-shocking horror stories about election day 2004. Somehow, "due to the press not broadcasting the truth," Americans were duped by that wiley 'ol W again. Yes, is this the same media that broadcast the truth when W's National Guard service paperwork was forged by the evil Dan Rather and CBS? Right, that's different. |
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deadman
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
It is in his interest to claim such.
By the way Kerry voters were probably more likely to be activists so of course they would participate in exit polls more actively.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1397565/posts
By the way Bush did better in 2004 in every state he lost in both 2000 and 2004.
Add that in.
It is a good topic but it is kind of like the october suprise that every one says about Regan and Bush in 1980. It is just opportunistic scandaling. Like what the Republicans did to Clinton . It wasn't right for them to do it then and it isn't right for Democrats to do it now. |
I'm disappointed in you, Joo. Whether he has something to gain or not changes nothing about the fact that the evidence that the elections were fixed is there. |
What is the evidence. Such would be one of the stories of the decade |
By the quote in bold above, do you mean that because something didn't appear in the mainstream media, it cannot be true? Isn't that the tail wagging the dog?
Wannago - got anything to say about the article in the OP?
You both seem to have a lot of faith in the integrity of mainstream media.
Would you agree that centralised ownership of the majority of the mainstream media in the states, means that what gets in and what doesn't is basically decided by very few individuals? Is there freedom of press in the US right now?
I'll repost what John Swinton, a journalist with the New York Times is reported to have said at a speech at his retirement dinner:
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