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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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 Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:02 pm Post subject: Why Does Al Qaeda Fight? |
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Why does Al Qaeda fight?
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/ladin.htm
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al-Qa'ida (The Base)
Qadat al-Jihad
Islamic Army for the Liberation of the Holy Places
World Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders
Islamic Salvation Foundation
Usama bin Laden Network
Al-Qa'ida is multi-national, with members from numerous countries and with a worldwide presence. Senior leaders in the organization are also senior leaders in other terrorist organizations, including those designated by the Department of State as foreign terrorist organizations, such as the Egyptian al-Gama'at al-Islamiyya and the Egyptian al-Jihad. Al-Qa'ida seeks a global radicalization of existing Islamic groups and the creation of radical Islamic groups where none exist.
Al-Qa'ida supports Muslim fighters in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Chechnya, Tajikistan, Somalia, Yemen, and Kosovo. It also trains members of terrorist organizations from such diverse countries as the Philippines, Algeria, and Eritrea.
Al-Qa'ida's goal is to "unite all Muslims and to establish a government which follows the rule of the Caliphs." Bin Laden has stated that the only way to establish the Caliphate is by force. Al-Qa'ida's goal, therefore, is to overthrow nearly all Muslim governments, which are viewed as corrupt, to drive Western influence from those countries, and eventually to abolish state boundaries. |
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Al Qaeda Has a Plan and Here It Is
by James Dunnigan
September 24, 2005
Discussion Board on this DLS topic
Al Qaeda has a plan, and it뭩 been published in a book (Al-Zarqawi: al Qaeda's Second Generation) by Jordanian journalist, Fouad Hussein. Several al Qaeda leaders were interviewed for the book, including al Qaeda뭩 man in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. The book is only available in Arabic, but it does lay out a very straightforward strategy for world conquest. Actually, it sounds a lot like what the nazis and communists had in mind last century. The only difference is that, while the nazis killed you for who you were, and the communists killed you for what you believed,al Qaeda kills you for religious differences. No matter which zealot gets you, you're still dead.
According to Fouad Hussein, al Qaeda has a seven phase plan for world conquest. It goes like this.
Phase 1, the 뱖akeup call.?Spectacular terrorist attacks on the West (like September 11, 2001) get the infidels (non-Moslems) to make war on Islamic nations. This arouses Moslems, and causes them to flock to al Qaedas banner. This phase is considered complete.
Phase 2, the 밻ye opening.?This is the phase we are in, where al Qaeda does battle with the infidels, and shows over a billion Moslems how it뭩 done. This phase is supposed to be completed by next year.
Phase 3, 뱓he rising.?Millions of aroused (in a terrorist sense) Moslems go to war against Islam뭩 enemies for the rest of the decade. Especially heavy attacks are made against Israel. It is believed that major damage in Israel will force the world to acknowledge al Qaeda as a major power, and negotiate with it.
Phase 4, 뱓he downfall.?By 2013, al Qaeda will control the Persian Gulf, and all its oil, as well as most of the Middle East. This will enable al Qaeda to cripple the American economy, and American military power.
Phase 5, 뱓he Caliphate.?By 2016, the Caliphate (one government for all Moslem nations) will be established. At this point, nearly all Western cultural influences will be eliminated from Islamic nations. The Caliphate will organize a mighty army for the next phase.
Phase 6, 뱖orld conquest.?By 2022, the rest of the world will be conquered by the righteous and unstoppable armies of Islam. This is the phase that Osama bin Laden has been talking about for years.
Phase 7, 밼inal victory.?All the world뭩 inhabitants will be forced to either convert to Islam, or submit (as second class citizens) to Islamic rule. This will be completed by 2025 or thereabouts.
Nothing really new in all this. Al Qaeda has been talking openly about this (the global Islamic state) for years. These Islamic terrorists are true believers. God is on their side, and they believe all obstacles will be swept aside by the power of the Lord. Will al Qaeda뭩 plan work? Ask the nazis and communists. |
http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/20059240226.asp
Osama bin Laden's Scary Vision of a Grand Muslim Super State
By Juan Cole
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For al-Qaeda to succeed, it must overthrow the individual nation-states in the Middle East, most of them colonial creations, and unite them into a single, pan-Islamic state. But Ayman al-Zawahiri's organization, al-Jihad al-Islami, had tried very hard to overthrow the Egyptian state, and was always checked. Al-Zawahiri thought it was because of U.S. backing for Egypt. They believed that the U.S. also keeps Israel dominant in the Levant, and backs Saudi Arabia's royal family.
Al-Zawahiri then hit upon the idea of attacking the "far enemy" first. That is, since the United States was propping up the governments of Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc., all of which al-Qaeda wanted to overthrow so as to meld them into a single, Islamic super-state, then it would hit the United States first.
The attack on the World Trade Center was exactly analogous to Pearl Harbor. The Japanese generals had to neutralize the U.S. fleet so that they could sweep into Southeast Asia and appropriate Indonesian petroleum. The U.S. was going to cut off imperial Japan from petroleum, and without fuel the Japanese could not maintain their empire in China and Korea. So they pushed the U.S. out of the way and took an alternative source of petroleum away from the Dutch (which then ruled what later became Indonesia).
Likewise, al-Qaeda was attempting to push the United States out of the Middle East so that Egypt, Jordan, Israel and Saudi Arabia would become more vulnerable to overthrow, lacking a superpower patron. Secondarily, the attack was conceived as revenge on the United States and American Jews for supporting Israel and the severe oppression of the Palestinians. Bin Laden wanted to move the timing of the operation up to spring of 2001 so as to "punish" the Israelis for their actions against the Palestinians in the second Intifadah. Khalid Shaikh Muhammad was mainly driven in planning the attack by his rage at Israel over the Palestinian issue. Another goal is to destroy the U.S. economy, so weakening it that it cannot prevent the emergence of the Islamic superpower.
Al-Qaeda wanted to build enthusiasm for the Islamic superstate among the Muslim populace, to convince ordinary Muslims that the U.S. could be defeated and they did not have to accept the small, largely secular, and powerless Middle Eastern states erected in the wake of colonialism. Jordan's population, e.g. is 5.6 million. Tunisia, a former French colony, is 10 million, less than Michigan. Most Muslims have been convinced of the naturalness of the nation-state model and are proud of their new nations, however small and weak. Bin Laden had to do a big demonstration project to convince them that another model is possible.
Bin Laden hoped the U.S. would timidly withdraw from the Middle East. But he appears to have been aware that an aggressive U.S. response to 9/11 was entirely possible. In that case, he had a Plan B: al-Qaeda hoped to draw the U.S. into a debilitating guerrilla war in Afghanistan and do to the U.S. military what they had earlier done to the Soviets. Al-Zawahiri's recent message shows that he still has faith in that strategy |
http://hnn.us/articles/7378.html# |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| In other words, money. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| Nope it for the new Caliphate |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:22 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Nope it for the new Caliphate |
You have to be a little bit religious to understand why they fight.
problem is the west has forgotten what its like to believe in anything, and they assume the rest of the world is the same.
So joo how far do you think they'll actually get with their pipe dream? |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:23 am Post subject: |
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Al Quada (and those groups that will follow after) can pursue phases one and two forever, but phase three will never happen. The vast majority in the various Moslem communities of the world have no interest in pursuing a World War to creat a Caliphate.
The problem for the West is how to end the perpetual terrorist problem: the use of "phase one and phase two" by radicalized individuals and groups. The West needs to learn to fight terrorism without surrendering its moral leadership.
Unfortunately, the interventionists in various Western states keep helping the terrorists recruit new members. Interventionism as a policy creates new enemies and keeps the cycle going.
The US created Bin Laden through decades of unprincipled interventionist relationships and wars. The war in Iraq will create thousands of new enemies for the US. Current US policy merely reacts to events in the world. There is no plan for the future based on understanding the way individuals, groups and nations think, act and relate in the real world.
If the US would adopt a principled foreign policy, reject interventionism and become a beacon of liberty in the world once again, we could earn the respect of future generations and cut off the supply of future terrorists. Those who have already been radicalized will never stop fighting. They must be caught or killed, but without abandoning moral principles. This is a difficult task. The intellectual lightweights running and supporting the current US administration are morally bankrupt and clueless as to how to proceed. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| Anyone else feel that the similarities to Vietnam are now becoming quite striking? It's too much of a mess to leave and will look like total and humiliating failure, and yet it also seems they simply can't win either. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| The vast majority in the various Moslem communities of the world have no interest in pursuing a World War to creat a Caliphate. |
While they may have no interest in pursuing a World War to establish a Caliphate, what percentage of people in those countries support the establishment of Islamic, Shariah states? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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