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[Rteacher]

It's poetic as hell, I guess (from what little I understand of it...) but its seamy images and foul odors reek of unnatural big-city life. (The deepest meaning of "clothes", by the way, is that the subtle mind and gross external body are garments temperarily worn by the spirit-soul...) Materialistic schools are like slaughterhouses...

[ardis]

Meh, new here, thought I'd throw in my own stuff. Just two.

APPRECIATON (a dedication to Vladimir Nabokov)
the pages that i claim
lay in riddles--
wide, red marks that
swallow words whole--
encompassing, thick, and
heavy with intention.
black prints once sped from
behind the gray brow
through the lined mind--
brilliant and acute--
to the queue at his fingertips.
one word
followed by another--
a single phrase argued
again and again,
with fantastic vowels and consenants.

my pen finds it way across
these foreign scapes,
ink taming each impossible event.
they are roped in tightly
and held in round red cages
meant to separate the
bright from the burning.

----

The Anti-Climax

i am the goddess of punctual papers--
of hastily scribed bravado--
of carefully penned gospels.

i sat here--
right here, moving only the mirror to my right
so i could watch myself work,
secretly believing that i
become more beautiful
when i am in the act of creating.

but i always leave the conclusion unwritten
until morning.
when pressure brings my fingers
to the keys like heavy magnets--
the art is gone.

i am the woman afraid of closure--
i am like the woman who holds back
one kiss
until morning,
when the act is no longer
an art,
but a necessity
caused by magnets in the mind
that are thoughtlessly searching for lips.

[ddeubel]

[Chow]

I just wanted to say how much I appreciated posting on this thread. When I first saw the thread, I honestly thought it was going to be a disaster, but I was pleasantly surprised by the amount/quality of the poetry and even more by the honest encouragement and critiques provided.

Thanks especially to DD for the insight. Many times I've been about to add my 2 cents about a post, only to find you've already commented and said it better than I could have.

[ddeubel]

Thanks Chow for the kind words. Poetry despite so many people thinking otherwise in these very, "busy" days -- is a very worthy endeavour. So it begs of us to give honest words to others about their poetry when they try to go beyond just "the self" and into the consciousness of the world (which a read poem is...).

So I try to be honest. Just my opinion and as I said, take it all with a grain of salt. If you believe in the poem, that is worth more than anyone's words and it will work itself out into something better eventually. Ego is like anger -- not bad in and of itself. It is how it manifests. The poet should shoulder an ego that shines and expands but still knows its light falls everywhere........

So time for others to hit on me.....a little poem with a little meaning....

Let�s clean house��

Don�t talk to me about love.

The shirts need to be picked up from the cleaner�s .
The cat�s gotta be fed.
There�s the hairdresser�s and the new 5 slice toaster
and remember
tonight there is today�s Movie of the Week.


Love? Let�s have children.
Love? Let�s join a fitness club.
Love? Let�s look at our new sofa.
Love? Let�s make it twice a week at 5:15.
Love? I�m reading a book about it.

Don�t talk to me about love

when military spending is so low
when I gotta plan this winter�s getaway
when it�s raining outside,
when the neighbours just bought a new car
when the alarm clock�s just waiting to blow
it�s time to go.

Don�t talk to me about love.

Let�s clean house, the Little�s are coming over��

[Peter Jackson]

...some useful suggestions and comments. Thanks for taking the time.

Ddeubel, I like the "little" poem. It actually reminds me of my sister and brother in law! Watching them is one reason I stay single.

I like the ending. Not a coincidence that you chose the surname little...

Have a good day,

[EFLtrainer]

Guess my poem was total poo, eh?

[peach]

Poetry and critiques/responses are all okay so long as their subject matter falls within forum guidelines and noone dodges the swear-filter.

[ddeubel]

Why the warning Peach????

Are you trying to intimidate??? What are you, the poetry nazi??? I don't think that was an appropriate post by a mod -- in my honest and unabashed opinion. Poetry is not so counterculture and revolutionary as it used to be. Most poets in fact are housewives and insurance salesmen.......

Don't understand why you had to add the disclaimer to this thread -- of all threads....???? If you have the time please explain why you felt the need to caution this thread....

DD

Poets are the unacknowledged legislators of mankind -- Thoreau.

Poets are the acknowledged legislators of the unkind. -- DD

[Poemer]

Here, here. Well said ddeubal. In comparison to the dreck that is 90% of the posts on this board I can see no reason why this thread should draw such attention. I believe an explanation is in order.

[EFLtrainer]

I think that was in reponse to mine.... but that poem wasn't written for this forum, it was written elsewhere and later posted here. I didn't even think about the swear filter... the poem is posted as it was originally written, not edited for the filter.

[ddeubel]

EFL,

Maybe the disclaimer was about your poem -- but I think that should have been stated explicitedly, directly.

I didn't find anything "offensive" about your poem. Sticks and stones can break my bones / but artistic swear words used in a general , not personal veing / can never hurt me (us).

I'll post my fav. later Bukowski poem , if I get the time. He hits the nail on the head regarding poetry............

DD

[ddeubel]

i just picked up the last "new" Bukowski, "The Flash of Lightning Behind the Mountain">

Lots of the same blablabla there but also less focused on the race track, women, brawling and the lack of rent money.......

Not a great read but as always he comes through when I need a dose of the REAL. Something not pretencious and which just says it all, like a lightning flash...

So here is the poem on the back jacket -- about poets needing to TAKE A SWING and have BALLS.

9 Bad Boys - Charles "the honest one" Bukowski

Celine will bat
lead off,
Shostakovich is in the
second
spot,
Dostoevsky should hit
3rd,
Beethoven will definitely bat
clean up,
Jeffers is in the 5th
spot,
Dreiser can hit
6th and batting 7th
let's have
Boccaccio
and 8th the
catcher:
Hemmingway.

the pitcher?
hell, give me the
fucking
ball.

DD

[Tiger Beer]

[Len8]

"I�d take you to my home to meet the tramp that I call mother"

Above statement from one of his poems maybe means he had problems at home.

He also says somewhere that after seeing how is sister and brother in law behave, he never wants to get married.


Doesn't seem to have the most perfect homelife, but then who does