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Mark7
Joined: 22 May 2006
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:11 am Post subject: Non-white applicants...realistic chances of employment |
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I'm new to this whole thing. Yet I've read on some FAQs that some (or many, I am not sure) institutions will not hire an applicant because a person is not white. I've read some people mentioning this is because they feel as if a white person can teach English better than someone who is Asian, black, etc.
My question is, if an applicant is not white (which I am), realistically what are my opportunities to land a job in Korea? Any advice and strategies when I apply to a place to get around this barrier? I feel as if when I write to a potential employer and send them my picture, I do not receive a reply back...its seems frustrating. Any advice? |
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Vollrath
Joined: 29 May 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:39 am Post subject: |
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| i've heard of korean-X's (insert English-speaking country here) getting jobs that pay just the same as any other native speaker but the harsh reality is that although it's technically illegal to discriminate (this only changed rather recently, i think) a lot of schools just want whities because they *look* better (to Koreans)... a lot of Koreans are very superficial that way.. but again, no blanket statements.. anything is possible if you look hard enough or get extremely lucky the first time around........ |
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Reason.

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA - for now.
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:09 am Post subject: |
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I was initially worried about this as well, as I've experienced some of what you're speaking of. I try to think of it this way, if a school turns you down simply on the basis of your color, then chances are, that's not the right place for you anyways. Being non-White and trying to teach in S. Korea just means that you're going to have to dig a little harder and be a little more patient when it comes to job searching.
Also, as general rule for myself, whenever I talk to a recruiter/director/head teacher on the phone that has seen only my resume, but not a picture, I be sure to mention the fact that i'm Black. I do this in an attempt to notice what type of reaction they'll give me, as well as see what types of feedback they'll give me as far as being Black and teaching in Korea. Just be patient, and don't worry. There seems to be a surplus of ESL jobs, and a shortage of teachers, so i'm sure you'll get in somewhere. Just make sure that you do your research before you sign on the dotted line. |
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Mark7
Joined: 22 May 2006
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:31 am Post subject: Thanks |
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To Reason:
Thanks for your advice. It makes sense on what you said: that if a school does not hire you because of your color than it is best not to work there anyway, because it shows their attitude. Do you also suggest that I should mention my race as well when an employer inquires of me through an e-mail? Would that be beneficial?
So, I will continue to look for the best options available, and perhaps something will come up.
In the meanwhile, can you guys point to a school/recruiter/program that is less inclined to be biased and more based on potential skills of teaching?
Thanks. |
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Grotto

Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| One guy I worked with (Collins) was black and he wore coloured contacts.....eerily blue eyes....he had no problem finding jobs here |
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Reason.

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA - for now.
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:00 am Post subject: Re: Thanks |
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To Reason:
Thanks for your advice. It makes sense on what you said: that if a school does not hire you because of your color than it is best not to work there anyway, because it shows their attitude. Do you also suggest that I should mention my race as well when an employer inquires of me through an e-mail? Would that be beneficial? |
I am by no means an expert on this, i'm just trying to offer advice from the limited experience I have with this. 95% if the time, when a recruiter/school inquires about you through e-mail, one of the first things they'll ask for is a picture along with your resume. I usually do not mention anywhere in the e-mail that i'm Black. I just send the picture as an attachment, and let them make their own judgement.
To be honest, some recruiters/schools that I've spoken with seemed to be more excited about potentially having a non-White foreigner working at their school; but then again each situation is different. I just try and get the color issue out the way as soon as possible, so as not to dwell on it and move on to other important matters in solidifying a teaching position. Also, from what I garnered from various recruiters/schools that i've talked to, SOMETIMES it's not the director that has a problem w/ hiring non-Whites, it's the parents of the children that attend the institutes that are worried that their child will not learn English properly from someone of a non-White background. |
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Antrugha

Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Location: On a 2-wheeled engine
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| you will have no problem finding a job, I'm brown and found a bunch of jobs before I chose this one. Just be careful is all, but that is a given, despite race. |
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Mark7
Joined: 22 May 2006
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:39 am Post subject: The Photo |
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Does the kind of photo matter? The only photos I have on my computer are just me in casual clothes where I'm posing with friends.
Someone once told me that its beneficial to wear like more business attire and take a photo, but what do you guys think?
Thanks for your encouragement everybody. Its just I am a little wary of the fact that race will always be a factor in someone's mind, especially when it comes to the job. But I'm out to prove them wrong as well. |
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Sody
Joined: 14 May 2006
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
I know schools that insist on Asian Americans actually. Many of them are from the Gyeonggi-do province. But I've never been to these schools or met the directors.
I don't know what the word is on Black or Indian native English speakers but I do know a Black woman who is working at a Gyeonggi-Do school and she's quite happy and they treat her very well.
I think if you are Black then you should try and apply to a public school position. You will face far less discrimination or none at all. Even if you do get a Hagwon job you may face a lot of problems later from disgruntled parents. Also, you should be upfront and definitely include a picture of yourself in professional attire. It should be a clear photo of you smiling or even a positive photo of you interacting with former students. Not a picture of you with your beer buddies drinking it up or something stupid like that. The more professional the better your chances.
I want to emphasize that if you are the type who is very sensitive about discrimination based upon your photo then Korea is probably not for you. There are so many other issues concerning discrimination here that will affect you more deeply than your application. You really need a thick skin to teach in Korea. It's not like in Japan where they seldom tell you what they are thinking.
Sody |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: The Photo |
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| Mark7 wrote: |
Does the kind of photo matter? The only photos I have on my computer are just me in casual clothes where I'm posing with friends.
Someone once told me that its beneficial to wear like more business attire and take a photo, but what do you guys think? |
I'd avoid the "I'm the guy in the middle" type of pics. Put on some nice clothes - at least a shirt and tie - and get some decent pics taken.
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Thanks for your encouragement everybody. Its just I am a little wary of the fact that race will always be a factor in someone's mind, especially when it comes to the job. But I'm out to prove them wrong as well. |
Good luck. There are lots of factors that will make you more or less appealing. Race, nationality, age, gender. It's just a facet of working here that you'll have to get used to. |
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screw_driver
Joined: 20 Mar 2006
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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hey
It shouldn't be a problem finding a job, but just as everyone has stated, it might take you a little longer thats all. I'm Vietnamese Australian, so first of all I don't have a North American accent which many schools prefer. Secondly, I am not caucasian but of Asian appearance . So there is still hope
Good luck job hunting |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree with the person who said you should look for a public school job. The Gyeonggi-do province has been hiring quite a bit lately. You can contact Patrick at ATC, which is who I went through. |
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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| One guy I worked with (Collins) was black and he wore coloured contacts.....eerily blue eyes....he had no problem finding jobs here |
You worked with that guy? He used to come to Beaver's Wings (leastways I think it's the same guy because I can't think the odds of 2 black guys with blue contacts by the name of collins living in Korea could be all that high). |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| SOMETIMES it's not the director that has a problem w/ hiring non-Whites, it's the parents of the children that attend the institutes that are worried that their child will not learn English properly from someone of a non-White background. |
Which is just straight out racism? It would be one thing if they knew something about the west to make that judgement but since I am guessing that 95 percent of parents don't, I think it is straight out racism. For example Asian-Americans have the highest ratio of college graduates in the United States out of any racial group.
Sometimes I think the parent issue is just an easy excuse for the director/ principle to use. |
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Dante57

Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Location: Suji, Yongin
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Is it easy to get colored contacts in S. Korea? |
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