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[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

Yes I saw the video , I think you have a good idea of what I think of the guy.

[Guri Guy]

Quote from Rip Van Winkle.

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

[Guri Guy]

Yes, you are correct. American self interest and the pursuit of the almighty buck have never killed anyone. People have never gotten justifiably angry before. Obviously they were just jealous of America's success. Tell that to people in Guatemala or Cuba or countless other places where Americans have imposed their will and dominance with disasterous results.
I don't hate America but there are plenty of people around the world that do. When you get older and gain some understanding of how the world really works you will begin to appreciate it. I once thought the way you do and vehemently defended the USA. Then I took a Latin American History class in University. It really opened my eyes. I started watching programs besides CNN and started reading books. In the end I found out America leaves a lot to be desired. Though I still think America is a good country, they do have blood on their hands. The quicker they deal with it the better.
Until you are mature enough to discuss it with a possibly objective point of view it is really is pointless talking with you. You have preconceived notions which aren't going to change.

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

[Guri Guy]

It is agreed that America has had many diabolical enemies over the last 30 years. However, America has had many diabolical allies over the last 30 years as well.
A lot of people find this behaviour hypocritical. One day a US Ally is pure as the driven snow, the next day they are worse than Satan himself.
I am not going to argue that the cold war shouldn't have been fought at all. I do have big issues with Vietnam though. How can the United States scream bloody murder against Iraq for having chemical weapons when it used chemical weapons on Vietnam. They devestated the Vietnamese environment and are still causing major health problems to this day. Where is the apology and compensation? Don't forget that America started that war in the first place.
Why did America enxonerate the Emperor of Japan of any wrongdoing or war guilt in the Second World War? That decision has left Asian relations strained to this very day. I honestly don't think that the United States cares or thinks about the consequences of their actions too much.
If you want to talk about America's realpolitik I have studied the subject at University and I find it quite entriguing. I will leave others to talk about WTC7 as I don't know much about that but I am learning by the day.

In summation, I think the ends do not always justify the means. That is what I take issue with.

PS You mentioned the Klan. Those guys talk about "Good old American values" Those guys are homegrown Americans and racist and biggoted as hell. America was founded by extremists and continues that proud tradition to this day.

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

[quote="Guri Guy"]

[Guri Guy]

You seem to make this assumption that I hate America. I never said that. I think American Foreign Policy is dispicable. Interpret that as you like.

As far as Vietnam goes...Wow! Causing permanent ecological damage is cool eh?
Please explain to me why the USA compensates it's own veterans for damage from Agent orange but refuses to compensate the Vietnamese?

Harmless stuff eh?

Appalling birth defects among the children of veterans exposed during the war to Agent Orange and other pesticides are well documented. According to Professor Hoang Dinh Cau, the chairman of Viet Nam�s 10-80 Committee, which investigates the consequences of the use of chemicals during the war, tens of thousands of children are affected. Common symptoms are limbs twisted in a characteristic way or missing altogether, and eyes without pupils. And now there is growing concern that a third generation of children may be affected.

If you are going to fight a war, do it fairly. Do the morally correct thing.

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

[some waygug-in]

Nice job of thread hi-jacking. Not that your discussions aren't just as interesting, but perhaps this is a bit more closely related to the topic:


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/03/30/NSGB3HTBQ61.DTL&

OUT LOUD
AN INSIDE JOB?
David Ray Griffin: Theologian scoffed at 9/11 conspiracy theories, then looked closer
Reyhan Harmanci

Thursday, March 30, 2006

When David Ray Griffin, noted theologian and professor emeritus at the Claremont School of Theology, first heard someone say that Sept. 11 was an inside job, he scoffed.

"I can remember my exact words. ... I said, 'I don't think that even the Bush administration could perpetrate such a thing,' " said Griffin, who has since written two books, "The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11" and "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions,'' which dispute the official version of events. Specifically, Griffin believes that the U.S. government orchestrated the attacks.

Griffin began to delve into 9/11 conspiracy theories after looking at a time line of the events of Sept. 11, 2001 (by Paul Thompson, who later turned it into a book) on the Internet. He found himself swayed by the catalog of inconsistencies and strange coincidences.

When asked what the most compelling facts are to make the case that the U.S. government was complicit in the attacks, Griffin names three things. The behavior of Bush at the schoolhouse in Florida ("Secret Service should have whisked him out immediately if we're under attack but he stayed over 30 minutes. ... It's pretty clear evidence that they knew they wouldn't be attacked"), the strange pyrotechnics that brought down the World Trade Center ("fire has never brought down a steel high-rise building") and the poorly planned targeting of the West Wing of the Pentagon ("all the important people are in the East Wing -- it doesn't make any sense").

Not only that, Griffin points to historical evidence that the U.S. government would be capable of such a thing. Operation Northwoods, a plan concocted by the Pentagon in the '60s as a way of taking Castro from power, included ideas about how a terrorist attack on U.S. soil could provide a pretext for military action.

But why now? Griffin names the neoconservative think tank the Project for the New American Century as a motivating force. "Once you look at it, they have lots of motivation," he says. "It's what the neocons have been salivating about."

"The goals would be to get control of the world's oil and establish a new doctrine of pre-emptive warfare. That was a difficult sell before 9/11."

While many conspiracy theories have been passed around, it's been very easy to dismiss many of the theorists as, well, crazy. But Griffin comes to his controversial conclusions with lucidity and calm. He even sees a connection between his long-standing work as a theologian and his new position as a political writer.

"In both cases, the concern is for the good of the world as a whole. Those of us who believe in God believe that trashing the world is not what God wants."

[Guri Guy]

Oops....Sorry about getting off topic.
There is a thread on Agent Orange and I will post there there from now on if you want to discuss it further Joo.

As far as WTC7 goes, it certainly sounds suspicious. Money is a powerful motivator and $500 million is a lot of money.

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

The story...

The Silverstein group purchased the lease on the World Trade Center for $3.2 billion. With two claims for the maximum amount of the policy, the total potential payout is $7.1 billion, leaving a hefty windfall profit for Silverstein.

Our take...

It seems these claims are based on a dubious understanding on profits.

For example, as we write the insurance payments are not going to reach $7.1 billion. The current situation is $4.6 billion at a maximum, although this may be subject to change (up or down) as a result of court rulings.

And of course this isn't profit for Silverstein. The money is being provided for him to rebuild the WTC complex, and it turns out that's quite expensive. As Wikipedia points out:

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

some waygug-in

[Ya-ta Boy]