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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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 Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:33 am Post subject: |
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The whole concept of "podcast" will someday be seen as absurd, a joke no one really bought, did they?
It's a technological step back in an important respect: recorded, taped, or the term of the day "on demand". But not LIVE.
Radio is portable and easy and cheap and live.
Internet webcasts are easy and cheap and live... but not portable.
"Podcasts" are not live and not cheap and not easy... until you get going.
"oh but you have so much more choice" 
The technology exists to have portable Internet streaming live.... "pod" technology is simply a money-making means in the meantime. |
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xeno439
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| I didnt read any other the responses. I just have to say . . . It's you. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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Zulu, that was a fucking long post -- get out of the cult.
Just to say a few things. I've been reading up on ipods off and on over the last couple of days and I still have to say that most of what you said is, at best, subjectively accurate. Looking at the features and the style any given ipod has one or more counterparts from another company. You rant on about the software but drop and drag works just fine and isn't complicated. As well, I don't have to pay for music online or actually have my cd ready at hand. So, the only reason I can see could be (and I don't know) for an ipod would be sound quality.
As to your computer comments. The reason that some companies and sectors prefer macs is analagous to the qwerty keyboard -- it's what they started with and what they've used and anything else seems different. The software on the two types of machines (assuming you can find it for the mac) works pretty much the same. And all these crashes have me thinking. My computer has crashed maybe (maybe) once this past year. The mac at work became such a crash fest that we just put it off to the side. Now, maybe my computer and maybe that mac are not typical, but either are those phantom computers that mac users always cite -- I say good luck finding any apple that does more work (your words and what the hell does that mean anyway?), crashes less, and has better software (better software?) than my computer.
All that aside, since the announcement about using intel chips I've been considering a mac. If they're as easily upgradeable as a normal computer and if I can get the power (or future equivalent) of my computer, I might get one. |
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Zulu
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| the_beaver wrote: |
| So, the only reason I can see could be (and I don't know) for an ipod would be sound quality. |
Seeing as we're talking about music players here, wouldn't sound quality be the most important thing to consider when choosing a player? That said, perhaps you could read up a bit more on mp3 players because the sound quality in all of them is pretty much the same.
One of the best ways to improve this with any player is to increase the encoding bitrate and get ahold of some decent third party headphones (i.e. not the crap earbuds which come with the ipod and other players). And of course, not listen to music which has the shit compressed out of it in the first place. A common trend these days. 
Cellphones are crap mp3 players in part because of their low storage capacity, which means even with new codecs you have to sacrifice sound for storage space unless you want to constantly delete/add/delete/add from your phone. A mighty pain in the ass, especially if you're traveling all the time. I happen to prefer ipods primarily because of 1) ease of use via the click wheel 2) the high capacity hard drive 3) itunes and related software 4) podcasts.
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| As to your computer comments. The reason that some companies and sectors prefer macs is analagous to the qwerty keyboard -- it's what they started with and what they've used and anything else seems different. |
Hmmm, somehow I doubt force of habit is the prime consideration for Cambridge University and all those other places which use (or are planning to switch to) Macs. I'm sure that if they put their thinking caps on these people can figure out how to use a Windows PC. C'mon man, we're talking big money and rocket scientists here. It's all about getting the job done.
I said you can get more done on a Mac simply because they crash much less (or not at all) than the Windows machines - due largely to the fact that there are very few viruses written for, and the inherent comparitive stability of UNIX based Macs - hence greater productivity obviously. I've simply washed my hands of Windows, enough is enough already.
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| All that aside, since the announcement about using intel chips I've been considering a mac. |
After all that, this cult member has been 'preaching to the converted'?  Intel Core Duos should mark a big improvement, although the G5s were quite good too. I've been messing about with my co-worker's macbook pro for a while and will soon switch over.
You might want to wait a little until some of the third party apps are fully Intel-native and no longer running via Rosetta. Of course no system will ever be perfect so let me know how it goes for you. Always like to hear the bad along with the good. |
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Zulu
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
| The whole concept of "podcast" will someday be seen as absurd, a joke no one really bought, did they? It's a technological step back in an important respect: recorded, taped, or the term of the day "on demand". But not LIVE. |
True enough Van and I'm a huge fan of radio too, the oldest, most underrated, most accessible electronic media on the planet. However, podcasts are cool too because you can listen to audio/radio shows, watch videos, edit, and store them for as long as you like.
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"Podcasts" are not live and not cheap and not easy... until you get going.
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No media save ink on paper is cheap until you invest in the technology. For example to make a radio broadcast you need a radio transmitter and other expensive gear. My point is that once you have the hardware/ software podcasts are easy to produce, and free. Sounds like you haven't tried Garageband? Simple as pie, even a little kid can slap one together in no time. |
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Zulu
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| little mixed girl wrote: |
-everyone and their mom who goes to my university has one and thinks they are soooo hot because of it
-i can't hang it around my neck |
So let me get his straight. Somene who actually thinks wearing electronics (mp3 players or cell phones) around her neck is a good thing is the arbiter of cool. Let me guess, you like K-pop, too? |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:40 am Post subject: |
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First off Zulu, just want to apologize for leaving you alone with the wolves for so long. I've been jumped on more than once in the Tech forum (where this should be actually) for defending my Mac. This one is...unusually civil so far though, it's not been too rough.
For the OP: I've got a silver iPod Mini, 4gig, and it works just fine. The only problem I've ever had with it-it's just over a year old...maybe 15 months-is the one time I had to reset it. But it was only once and has been working great ever since. The battery isn't what it used to be, but it still gives me maybe 5 to 7 hours of straight play if I want to push it. Right now I just use it for my walks about town, back and forth from school, wherever, and it suits me perfectly. Good friend of mine has an iPod and has also never had a problem with it.
And, since everyone was brining up Sony's Walkman, the tape form and the later CD form, an interesting tid-bit I just read comes readily to mind: It took Sony 15 years to sell as many Walkman's as it took Apple to sell iPods in 5 years. There really is no comparison. And, despite how many of you feel about the worth of the iPod, a 61% world wide market share and millions upon millions sold in just 5 years is really no fluke. People aren't be suckered by a fancy ad campaign. It simply wouldn't hold up. Whether you like it or not, people obviously buy the iPod because it works great for them. Not saying you have to, but you can't just pass it off as some kind of trend or slick commercials.
I'll stick to topic and maintain my comments to iPod only as the PC vs. Mac thing really has been done to death, although I am tempted to defend my beautiful little box (never crashed once in over a year, never had to restart ) but I'll leave it at that.
�S� |
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little mixed girl
Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Location: shin hyesung's bed~
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Zulu wrote: |
| little mixed girl wrote: |
-everyone and their mom who goes to my university has one and thinks they are soooo hot because of it
-i can't hang it around my neck |
So let me get his straight. Somene who actually thinks wearing electronics (mp3 players or cell phones) around her neck is a good thing is the arbiter of cool. Let me guess, you like K-pop, too? |
damn straight i like it!
listening to boa right now.
but no cell phone around the neck for me...unfortunately...! |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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This is going nowhere but I have a few minutes before the coffee's ready.
Zulu, your contention that Macs are better is wrong. All major software (Adobe Suite, for example) I know from experience runs the same on both machines with the exception of using <ctrl> instead of <cmd>. The difference is, I could have all the software to do all the jobs I wanted to do but the end of the day while it would take a major effort to get all the software I wanted for a mac. Maybe my software needs are a little broader than the average machead's, but I need what I need whether it's easy-to-find video capture software, easy-to-find video convertor software, or easy-to-find anything. I'm sure this software exists for a mac, but the most important thing is that it isn't easy to find and even if it was, it only works the same as it does on my pc.
And enough with the fucking crashes -- my machine almost never crashes (if it even has I can't remember it). And the Dual 2Ghz PowerPC G5 is 2,000 dollars. It's still not as powerful as my machine (which was 2,000,000 won a year ago). Further, I have a lot more choice in hardware with my pc. The macheads complain that the hardware causes problems but I have few (aside from a small issue with my raid that I fixed).
And the viruses? I haven't had a virus since 2001. As macs get more popular more and more people will write viruses for them, but just like a pc, a good anti-virus and there is no problem.
About the ipod. You've indicated that the only thing superior about it is that you like the click wheel, memory, software and podcasts. The click wheel and the software are pretty subjective and prefer drag and drop for everything so the software doesn't matter all that much. And the click wheel is another of those things that just doesn't matter. The same memory is available in other players and podcasts don't play on some players because of the quicktime format which can be easily converted to to mp3 via the myriads of conversion programs available.
Coffee time. |
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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| AbbeFaria wrote: |
And, despite how many of you feel about the worth of the iPod, a 61% world wide market share and millions upon millions sold in just 5 years is really no fluke.
�S� |
Of course, by this logic, Windows is better than Mac OS and Internet Explorer is better than Firefox.
I, of course, would argue that Windows, Internet Explorer, and Ipods are popular, not because of how good or bad they are, but because most people are not aware there is any other choice. |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Thunndarr wrote: |
| AbbeFaria wrote: |
And, despite how many of you feel about the worth of the iPod, a 61% world wide market share and millions upon millions sold in just 5 years is really no fluke.
�S� |
Of course, by this logic, Windows is better than Mac OS and Internet Explorer is better than Firefox.
I, of course, would argue that Windows, Internet Explorer, and Ipods are popular, not because of how good or bad they are, but because most people are not aware there is any other choice. |
You could also flip that around and say that Windows has such a large market share because the people weren't aware they could use Mac for many of the same things. It's circular, we could go on all day.
Sure, there are things that Window's is great at that don't work as well on a Mac, never said there wasn't. They've been making the OS for a long time and, as inept as they are, they still get some things right. It really only comes down to what you need it for, though. I'm not trying to convince anyone to either side. I like Mac and can't stand Windows. You like Windows and can't stand Mac. Great. I still think I'm right, but so do you, so it's really a moot point. 
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| All major software (Adobe Suite, for example) I know from experience runs the same on both machines with the exception of using <ctrl> instead of <cmd>. |
Gonna have to disagree with you on that one. Having come from a graphic design background and having had the ability to chat with one of the largest printing companies in the world�as well as a host of smaller companies�despite having many of the same features, the Adobe suit and other graphic programs run better on Mac. A printing company that is responsible for the global imaging of multi-billion dollar companies isn't going to use a Mac just because it's what other companies do. They use the Mac because it gets the job done with less headaches and less problems than it's PC counterpart.
And, not 30 minutes ago I had a conversation with a friend of mine who is reinstalling Windows for the umpteenth time because it crashed on him. But he still finds the time to say my Mac sucks between curses at his PC. And this is a guy who is tech savvy. He sets up his own servers and all that happy crap. He's been fiddling with Window's software since pre-Win 95 days. He never misses an opportunity to tell me how bad Mac's are, but...I'm online right now, and he's probably still at home debating whether or not he should just set his computer on fire and use it to roast some sang-kyup-sal and actually get some use out of it.
All this is quickly to become and old argument though (not that it's not already) since you can now boot Windows on Mac. There's no more worrying about whether or not you can get a Mac but still use this one software that only comes in Windows. So you can have the best of both worlds. When it's time to upgrade (got a pre-Intel Mini right now) I may or may not buy the next version of Windows to have with it. The only thing I would use it for are games, but I'm not that big a gamer to begin with, so I may save myself the 200 or so bucks and just play the games availble to me. Most of the big ones come out for Mac, so I won't be suffering to bad.
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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| AbbeFaria wrote: |
| Thunndarr wrote: |
| AbbeFaria wrote: |
And, despite how many of you feel about the worth of the iPod, a 61% world wide market share and millions upon millions sold in just 5 years is really no fluke.
�S� |
Of course, by this logic, Windows is better than Mac OS and Internet Explorer is better than Firefox.
I, of course, would argue that Windows, Internet Explorer, and Ipods are popular, not because of how good or bad they are, but because most people are not aware there is any other choice. |
You could also flip that around and say that Windows has such a large market share because the people weren't aware they could use Mac for many of the same things. It's circular, we could go on all day.
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Flip that around? That's exactly my point! |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| AbbeFaria wrote: |
| And, since everyone was brining up Sony's Walkman, the tape form and the later CD form, an interesting tid-bit I just read comes readily to mind: It took Sony 15 years to sell as many Walkman's as it took Apple to sell iPods in 5 years. There really is no comparison. |
Of course there isn't any comparison.
Walkmans built the habit and iPods are milking it.
I was one of the first to buy portable tape players, certainly the first in my neighbourhood and on my school bus, and while it was a rage with some right away, the vast majority didn't take to the change it required in their habits: "But you can't hear when a car is coming", "It damages your ears", all sorts of stuff. Shoot! I remember getting a portable radio in the seventies and having people make jokes about "earphones", what an odd think to carry around. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:19 am Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
Walkmans built the habit and iPods are milking it.
I was one of the first to buy portable tape players, certainly the first in my neighbourhood and on my school bus, and while it was a rage with some right away, the vast majority didn't take to the change it required in their habits: "But you can't hear when a car is coming", "It damages your ears", all sorts of stuff. Shoot! I remember getting a portable radio in the seventies and having people make jokes about "earphones", what an odd think to carry around. |
Me, too. One of the first and one of the most fanatical. And not just SONY's, I've got Aiwa's, JVC's.... a museum collection. Police were issuing citations to students at my university who rode their bikes w/their Walkman headphones on. I got tagged once.
How about this ad for SONY Mobile? Would this European ad fly in North America, Van? Funny. As conservative as Korea was until last Thursday, I can actually see this ad flying HERE before the U.S. or Canada.
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| Would this European ad fly in North America, Van? Funny. As conservative as Korea was until last Thursday, I can actually see this ad flying HERE before the U.S. or Canada. |
Push her buttons.
It perhaps too graphically isolates attention on the genital region for the sensibilities of the American and Canadian public in general, especailly religious and feminist groups. Understandable.
I could see it as a magazine ad. Not a billboard there though. |
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