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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:02 am Post subject: |
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| pussinboots wrote: |
Actually, I've been here before. I bet joo knows who I am and isn't all that happy to see me back.
Yeah, but now the Americans have *beep* things up so well that a blood bath is going to happen anyway. However, at least if they pulled out you wouldn't have air strikes, Special Forces deathsquads, depleted uranium, concentration camps featuring vicious dogs and anal rape, wholesale theft of oil, and all the other pleasant things the Americans have brought.
The bastards managed to start a civil war going after all. What a cluster *beep* this has been. As regards this board, what I can't believe is how twits like joo here can go on knowing that events have proved every single thing his heroes said to be a lie - as if nothing has happened at all. Pathetic. |
Your current incarnation is a little more bitter than the last one. I mean, really, a terrorist butcher was waxed. This is a time for celebration!
Anyway, you're right, the Bush Administration has screwed the pooch, in a manner of speaking, on this one. But, ultimately the blame for civil war will fall on the Iraqis who wage it, should it develop further. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:54 am Post subject: |
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Anti-neo-con conservative Eric Margolis on the death of Zarqawi...
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"Zarqawi will be dead soon," two of his disgruntled Jordanian supporters told me in March. "He will be betrayed by his own men."
And that's likely what happened last week. Tipped off that Iraq's most wanted man was in a rural house, U.S. aircraft bombed it, killing some of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's top aides, a woman and a child. Who will collect the $25-million bounty offered by the U.S. remains to be seen.
Zarqawi, the poster boy of so-called Islamic terrorism, was born in Zarqa, a Jordanian of Palestinian refugee parents. He came closest to fitting the term "terrorist" of anyone since the late, unlamented mass killer, Abu Nidal.
Both were vicious mad dogs who revelled in mass violence and cruel executions. They quickly forgot political goals and devoted themselves to wanton, often aimless bloodshed.
Few will miss Zarqawi. But his assassination is not "a major victory against al-Qaida," as U.S. President George Bush claimed.
Contrary to erroneous reports in the western media, Zarqawi's so-called "al-Qaida in Iraq" was not truly part of Osama bin Laden's movement.
After the U.S. invaded Iraq, Zarqawi, who had been a member of an anti-Saddam militant group, set up his own small radical group. In a clever ploy to achieve instant notoriety, Zarqawi proclaimed it "al-Qaida in Iraq."
The real al-Qaida was most displeased by Zarqawi's brazen trademark infringement. This deception was enhanced by faked letters "intercepted" by U.S. forces claiming to show Zarqawi was acting under bin Laden's direct orders.
Along with his deputy, Dr. Ayman Zawahiri, bin Laden strongly opposed Zarqawi's bloody attacks on Muslim civilians, his decapitations of hostages as "un-Islamic."
Iraq's 20-odd resistance groups battling U.S.-British occupation also strongly denounced Zarqawi's murderous car and truck bombing rampages aimed at igniting a civil war between Sunnis, Shias and Kurds.
Numerous Iraqi resistance leaders and some Arab media even claimed Zarqawi and his henchmen were covert "agents provocateurs" working for the U.S. and Britain to stir up ethnic tensions as part of Britain's old "divide and rule" techniques.
Double agents
This sounded far-fetched until the arrest in Basra of British SAS commandos armed with explosives and disguised as Arabs, leading many to believe Zarqawi's men were western double agents.
Assuming Zarqawi is well and truly dead, what now? First, he will be unmourned. Zarqawi was universally hated and feared.
Ironically, the only people who may miss him are the Bush administration's pro-war neocons, who claimed Zarqawi was part of al-Qaida, and thus justified the U.S. invasion of Iraq as a key part of the so-called "war on terrorism."
Zarqawi and his men spent most of their time killing Iraqi civilians. The majority of attacks on U.S. occupation forces in Iraq are conducted by former members of Saddam's military, Baath Party, and other small underground nationalist groups like Nasserites and anti-Saddam nationalists.
So Zarwaqi's death may mean fewer murderous attacks on civilians, but is unlikely to take the heat off U.S.-British occupation forces. In fact, his death might even promote better Sunni-Shia relations, allowing for the emergence of a more independent-minded Iraqi government that could increasingly reject Washington's near-total "guidance."
Fragmented resistance
The first small but significant hints of such independence emerged last week as the new Baghdad government openly complained about the slaughter of Iraqi civilians by U.S. troops.
The Iraqi resistance is fragmented into more than a score of shadowy groups. No single leader has yet emerged. Now that Zarqawi appears gone, the U.S. will need to find another demonic figure with which to keep selling the war to Americans at home, 75% of whom still amazingly believe Saddam Hussein launched the 9/11 attacks.
Assassinating Zarqawi will give Bush a short-lived bump in the polls. But in the longer run, killing him was maybe not such a great idea. For the U.S., Zarqawi was far more useful alive. Iraqis, however, will be universally better off.
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
Well...
The death of Zarqawi will not put an end to the insurgency. In fact, it might aggravate things because he is now a martyr in the eyes of his supporters. But, more importantly, Zarqawi has already succeeded in his mission: making the US lose lot of power and prestige around the world. In any case, his death does little to change the fact that the mission in Iraq will remain a failure until peace is achieved. |
It's funny. I have a sirius radio, so when Zarqawi met his end, it was on all the channels.
When it was announced to the Iraqi press, you should have heard them singing and cheering. The man was a menace over there. He had a grudge against shia's. One incident: He literally stopped a bus with 28 children. 4 were Sunni. He let them go. He killed the other children.
Bush announced the death of this evil man to the White House Press Corp. Reaction. Silence.
Some people hate Bush so much so that it's almost like they are hoping that evil wins out.
Zarqawi is dead. He was a murderous a-hole. It's a good thing. Celebrate. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:15 am Post subject: |
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The death of the man is not a bad thing.
Won't stop the civil war ther either though, sadly. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Didn't I post that after his death they'd simply keep the real identity of the new leader secret? Either way, I was thinking it. They have just announced the name of their new leader in Iraq, and nobody seems to have heard of the guy before. How do you find a guy nobody seems to know? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Iraq announces info from Zarqawi raid
But should they really be trumpeting this stuff? I guess the morale in the country is that bad...
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| "We believe that this is the beginning of the end of al-Qaida in Iraq," al-Rubaie said, adding that the documents showed al-Qaida is in "pretty bad shape," politically and in terms of training, weapons and media. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:20 am Post subject: |
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Zarqawi 'Beaten to Death'
LONDON: The leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, may have been beaten to death by US forces following the air strike on his safe house, two British newspapers claimed yesterday. The Observer and the Sunday Times both carried reports on events leading up to his death, citing apparent eye-witnesses to the immediate aftermath of the attack near Baquba, last Wednesday.
But the leader of coalition forces in Iraq, US General George Casey, dismissed the claims as "ludicrous", telling the Fox News television channel: "That's baloney."
In a two-page report, The Observer said that although there was no corroboration of the claims that the badly-injured Zarqawi was beaten to death, revelations of revenge killings by US troops "means it cannot be discounted".
It quoted one man as saying US soldiers pulled a man resembling Zarqawi from an ambulance where locals had placed him, wrapped his traditional Arab robe, the dishdasha, around his head and "battered him severely till he died".
But General Casey said, "We've already gone back and looked at it. Our soldiers who came on the scene found him being put in an ambulance by Iraqi police, they took him off, rendered first aid, and only then expired."
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=146071&Sn=WORL&IssueID=29084 |
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