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Jamin



Joined: 21 Jun 2005
Location: Daejon

PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I were you I would just ignore the spelling natzi.

The reason is that is this is not the place to comment on one's spelling ability. As we know, different kinds of discourse require different things from the the user of a language. Few would disagree that a discussion forum is fairly informal as far as discourse systems go. I would go as far to argue that the writing found on this site has much more in common with typical discourse models found in spoken as opposed to written communication. With this in mind, it is not surprising that people don't worry too much about thier spelling here.

If the people would keep in mind the informal nature of this type of communication, there would be less of an obsession about spelling. Sometimes I feel those obsessed with spelling need to educate themselves a little more about the nature of language and a little less time attempting to show us thier superiority.

(If you find spelling/ grammar mistakes in this post, I don't care so don't bother commenting on them)
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corporal wrote:

If that's so, what are you going to do when a student asks, "Teacher, how do you spell "whether"? How do you spell successful"? Are you going to say--"just a minute, I don't know, but I'll I look it up in my dictionary"??


Trust me, i can spell words without the need for me to look them up.
You really are a bit bizar, assuming that non-native speakers would have difficulties spelling words? If i would not be capable to spell common english words without fail, i would not consider teaching them.

Corporal wrote:

Sure, a person's spelling and grammar doesn't have to be perfect to be an adequate teacher, but just don't trick yourself into thinking your tutelage is worth 50,000 won an hour.


Please tell me where i made a statement on the amount of money i might ask? I still have no idea myself what would be considered a fair amount.

Corporal wrote:

There are many more people out there with F2 and F5 visas who have been well-educated AND who are native speakers of English. Think about lowering your standards somewhat to match the reality of your situation.


Yet again i did not mention any standards, nor the way i might set up my privates

I said also in the first post that there is already some demand from Koreans living around me, now i am just trying to see 'whether' i can make a decent living out of it.

I truly wonder where you got all those assumptions from?



I also did not claim that there where no other F2, F5 Visa holders with a good education.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone mentioned before...........she's just jealous, best to ignore her.
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Neil



Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: Tokyo

PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somebody who speaks more than one language (such as Juregen) is surely going to be a better language teacher than someone who can only speak their native language (such as his critics). He would have greater empathy and understanding of students trying to learn a second tounge.

Best English teacher I've ever met was a Brazilian, observing her lessons was a real eye opener. A far better teacher than most of the native speakers whose lessons I've observed here, but of course she wouldn't get a visa for Korea despite her superior qualifications.....still it's their loss.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the support


I was thinking i said something completely out of line and offended some people
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bellum99



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: don't need to know

PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you actually looked at the costs of opening a school? There is not a chance in hell that you can actually do it. It requires more effort than you can imagine just to open it, I am not even talking about the endless pain of running it in the black.
If a Korean with actual experience owning a school has trouble running it in a profit, what makes you think you can do it. I would bet good money that you barely speak passable Korean and if that is true...who will speak to the mothers?
The reality is that every single teacher I met in Korea talked about opening a school and I know only 3 who actually did it.......they were special people. If you were going to do it..then you would. Just talking about it leads to nothing but more talk.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bellum99 wrote:
Have you actually looked at the costs of opening a school? There is not a chance in hell that you can actually do it. It requires more effort than you can imagine just to open it, I am not even talking about the endless pain of running it in the black.
If a Korean with actual experience owning a school has trouble running it in a profit, what makes you think you can do it. I would bet good money that you barely speak passable Korean and if that is true...who will speak to the mothers?
The reality is that every single teacher I met in Korea talked about opening a school and I know only 3 who actually did it.......they were special people. If you were going to do it..then you would. Just talking about it leads to nothing but more talk.


He could open a small study room or something like that, there are a few people on here who have done it. His wife is Korean so he could put it in her name. As for price I'd keep it around between 30-40 thousand won per class/lesson. You don't want to price yourself out of the market. Laughing

Then if that is successful you could think of expanding later.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

some waygug-in wrote:
As someone mentioned before...........she's just jealous, best to ignore her.


Jealous of what pray tell? Since you seem to know so much about her, please let the rest of us in on your little secret. Rolling Eyes
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bellum99 wrote:
Have you actually looked at the costs of opening a school? There is not a chance in hell that you can actually do it. It requires more effort than you can imagine just to open it, I am not even talking about the endless pain of running it in the black.
If a Korean with actual experience owning a school has trouble running it in a profit, what makes you think you can do it. I would bet good money that you barely speak passable Korean and if that is true...who will speak to the mothers?
The reality is that every single teacher I met in Korea talked about opening a school and I know only 3 who actually did it.......they were special people. If you were going to do it..then you would. Just talking about it leads to nothing but more talk.


I agree completely with your statement.

But as stated as above, my wife has family in the business.

Starting ones own business is always hell, whether it may be a hagwon or anything else.

To the Korean language aspect, I am following intensive Korean Hagwon style.
It is a serious language to get into, and requires a lot of effort.

But since I am in Korea for the long haul, in the end, I am confident that I will master the language, just like I did with english:).


on a side note:
some people do take the aggressive stance, but i'll take it as constructive criticism
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:


He could open a small study room or something like that, there are a few people on here who have done it. His wife is Korean so he could put it in her name. As for price I'd keep it around between 30-40 thousand won per class/lesson. You don't want to price yourself out of the market. Laughing

Then if that is successful you could think of expanding later.



seemingly my idea is not wholly original then Smile

I want to start small see how the market responds, see if korean people like my style, and grow from there.

I do not expect to be treated as God's Gift to the Koreans.
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well you handled all that crap well Juregen.

You don't have to put any hakwon or study room in your wife's name. In yours is fine.
Though it would be beneficial if you work as a team.

You'll figure things out.

As for me I've just kept my day job and added to it. Can at least feed my family.
About that and expense, I want to ask anyone on this board if their monthly household budget exceeds mine at 2.5 million. Since it is the case that raising a family here is costly, and you will have children yourself one day, if anyone states to you the obvious the illegalities of running private lessons, should you be doing so if the school idea doesn't work out, tell them to stick it.

Good for you, you Fellow from Flanders.

Remember it was the Europeans who first came to Korea, and China for that matter.


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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
some waygug-in wrote:
As someone mentioned before...........she's just jealous, best to ignore her.


Jealous of what pray tell? Since you seem to know so much about her, please let the rest of us in on your little secret. Rolling Eyes


Yeah, I don't get the jealous angle. I'm sure Juregen's a great guy. But Koreans are not going to pay more for his lessons because he speaks French and German (and whatever else) besides some English. It'd be "bizar" if he thinks simply having an F2 visa and being able to open his own study room (which many people talk about here, but which few do) is any guarantee of success. However, since he clarified that he doesn't think he is God's gift to Koreans, he's sounding a little more reasonable.

(And as for those who insist that it's not relevant for a teacher to know how to spell anything properly--would you take your car to a garage where the serviceman didn't know the difference between the coolant and the windshield washer fluid? Ah, but that doesn't mean he can't capably check the air pressure in the tires. Uh-huh.)
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The Man known as The Man



Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!

PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Juregen wrote:
i was hoping for some hints/hindsights

i prefer doing stuff legally

any comments on the F2 Visa?


Here's some advice-don't even think of doing privates.


YOu won't be making any money doing privates.


Privates are illegal.



So glad I could help.
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fortunately home schooling is not illegal for those with F2, F5 or F4 visas because of their family commitment. Raising a family has all the usual year on year financial committments (investments, schooling, infrastructure) that citizens make. They build up their families as well as pay for all the structures and services as other citizens.
Private educational work is not illegal for these people. They may be encouraged to work to help feed their families and grow in wealth, as is normal in a democratic and free society.
But, as usual they must pay tax as part of being in a citizen role.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Man known as The Man wrote:


Privates are illegal.

So glad I could help.


And from what planet do you come from?

Privates are not illegal, thre is no law against teaching privately.

As the above person stated, it is the proper way of dealing with the income tax that can provide issues, not the teaching itself.
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