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Return Jones
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| It's because Line 6 doesn't cross the Han and stays on the north side. All the other lines traverse the river at some point. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:12 am Post subject: |
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| Return Jones wrote: |
| It's because Line 6 doesn't cross the Han and stays on the north side. All the other lines traverse the river at some point. |
That's possible (line 6 does trace a V pattern above the Han) but then there are version of the map where line 6 isn't shown as a V. |
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Return Jones
Joined: 06 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Return Jones wrote: |
| It's because Line 6 doesn't cross the Han and stays on the north side. All the other lines traverse the river at some point. |
That's possible (line 6 does trace a V pattern above the Han) but then there are version of the map where line 6 isn't shown as a V. |
The V shape is irrelevant and doesn't represent anything in particular. The diagram and most subway maps are not to scale. If you look at the subway maps above the subway doors you would tend to think Suwon and Incheon were minutes apart since the wonky-scaled map indicates it. Also, consider the "neighbourhood" maps posted on the walls throughout each subway station. They never have the north point of the little compass sign pointing to the top of the map. Rather they draw the map to reflect which way you are facing. North is irrelevant. In most other parts of the world, north always is toward the top of any map regardless of which way you are facing. Koreans have a different perspective on correlating their maps to their surroundings.
Again, it's just to show that Line 6 doesn't cross the Han. Sorry to kill the mystery, but the reasoning behind the diagram is rather bland. There's nothing clandestine going on! |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:54 am Post subject: |
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| Return Jones wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Return Jones wrote: |
| It's because Line 6 doesn't cross the Han and stays on the north side. All the other lines traverse the river at some point. |
That's possible (line 6 does trace a V pattern above the Han) but then there are version of the map where line 6 isn't shown as a V. |
The V shape is irrelevant and doesn't represent anything in particular. The diagram and most subway maps are not to scale. If you look at the subway maps above the subway doors you would tend to think Suwon and Incheon were minutes apart since the wonky-scaled map indicates it. Also, consider the "neighbourhood" maps posted on the walls throughout each subway station. They never have the north point of the little compass sign pointing to the top of the map. Rather they draw the map to reflect which way you are facing. North is irrelevant. In most other parts of the world, north always is toward the top of any map regardless of which way you are facing. Koreans have a different perspective on correlating their maps to their surroundings. |
HUGE Guru pet peeve right there. And that "Korean perspective" is the poking-your-head-out-and-looking-around "gopher" perspective. The maps are designed for fieldmice.
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| Again, it's just to show that Line 6 doesn't cross the Han. Sorry to kill the mystery, but the reasoning behind the diagram is rather bland. There's nothing clandestine going on! |
The long-winded, round-about "explanation" in hangul on the previous page makes NARY A MENTION of the Han River, as I recall. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Actually, the fact that line 6 is the only line that doesn't cross the river (apart from the little pink and yellow lines of course) IS interesting. I'm trying to get a list - 10 questions perhaps - of subway trivia questions. I'm not doing very well so far.
I've got:
1. What 3 subway stations have 3 lines going through them?
2. What lines go through Jongno 3 ga?
3. You're in the Gwanghwamun area near the station. You want to go to Itaewon. What's the quickest way?
4. Which of the major lines does not cross the river?
Subway trivia would be good to use with adults or uni students I think. Don't use it with kids though. Kids know nothing whatsoever about the subway in my experience. Got any good subway trivia questions? Keep 'em coming. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| Return Jones wrote: |
Again, it's just to show that Line 6 doesn't cross the Han. |
Then why are the maps not consistent? (The best answer here is of course "because this is Korea".) Why do some of the maps have line 6 as a V and on the very same train a few cars down the map shows line 6 running parallel to the other lines? I grant you, yours is an excellent guess. But do you know for a fact? Is there a link?
Coming back to the 2002 world cup, the stations used to provide a lot of extra signage helping tourists find their way to line 6 and the stadium. It's not unbelievable these V maps are hold overs from 2002 and the V was used to visually separate out line 6 for tourists.
Regarding the subway map scale, the London Underground was the first subway to represent the system by abandoning scale. The history of the London Underground map is quite interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tube_map |
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Guri Guy
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:30 am Post subject: |
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For subway trivia:
How about which subway line has the most consecutive transfer points?
Which subway station will soon have 4 lines going through it?
Which station name has the most syllables? (Or whatever you call it in Korean) 신대방삼거리 has 6 but I think there is a Konglish one that has 7. Guro digital complex something I believe.
That's all I can think of for now. |
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Return Jones
Joined: 06 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Return Jones wrote: |
Again, it's just to show that Line 6 doesn't cross the Han. |
Then why are the maps not consistent? (The best answer here is of course "because this is Korea".) Why do some of the maps have line 6 as a V and on the very same train a few cars down the map shows line 6 running parallel to the other lines? I grant you, yours is an excellent guess. But do you know for a fact? Is there a link?
Coming back to the 2002 world cup, the stations used to provide a lot of extra signage helping tourists find their way to line 6 and the stadium. It's not unbelievable these V maps are hold overs from 2002 and the V was used to visually separate out line 6 for tourists.
Regarding the subway map scale, the London Underground was the first subway to represent the system by abandoning scale. The history of the London Underground map is quite interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tube_map |
A Korean co-worker explained it to me a few years ago. Seems to be the logical answer. It's simply a matter of what the map makers were trying to convey. From a Western point of view, Line 6 appears to run tangent to line 4 when it actually crosses it. This is not the important factor to the Korea point of view. They wish to show that the line remains north of the river.
Given that several different companies runs the various subway lines, I would say that the consistency is actually pretty good. If you compare Seoul's subway to those of Tokyo or Osaka, Seouls wins hands down. In Japan the rival companies often don't even make note of a transfer point if the intersecting line belongs to another company. A real pain! You just have to know ahead of time.  |
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Holyjoe
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:03 am Post subject: |
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Some trivia for football fans... how many footballers' names can you make from subway station names. I can think of four, though one is rather tenuous
Former Uruguayan forward Ruben Sosa (line 1)
Juan Pablo Angel (line 1), amongst many others with that name (though it only works with the romanised spelling)
Ronnie Moran (Bundang line), former Liverpool captain
Former Manchester United man Dennis Irwon (line 3, very cheeky  )
If you're really keen, you could do something with the subway map like these guys have done with the London map:
http://www.animalsontheunderground.com/ |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:10 am Post subject: |
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| Holyjoe wrote: |
Some trivia for football fans... how many footballers' names can you make from subway station names. I can think of four, though one is rather tenuous
Former Uruguayan forward Ruben Sosa (line 1)
Juan Pablo Angel (line 1), amongst many others with that name (though it only works with the romanised spelling)
Ronnie Moran (Bundang line), former Liverpool captain
Former Manchester United man Dennis Irwon (line 3, very cheeky )
If you're really keen, you could do something with the subway map like these guys have done with the London map:
http://www.animalsontheunderground.com/ |
Pretty hard-core there, holy.
I hope you answer the phone like I do: "Eusebio?" |
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Holyjoe
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
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Some trivia for football fans... how many footballers' names can you make from subway station names. I can think of four, though one is rather tenuous
Former Uruguayan forward Ruben Sosa (line 1)
Juan Pablo Angel (line 1), amongst many others with that name (though it only works with the romanised spelling)
Ronnie Moran (Bundang line), former Liverpool captain
Former Manchester United man Dennis Irwon (line 3, very cheeky )
If you're really keen, you could do something with the subway map like these guys have done with the London map:
http://www.animalsontheunderground.com/ |
Pretty hard-core there, holy.
I hope you answer the phone like I do: "Eusebio?" |
I was also going to include Suwon Samsung's Croatian defender Mapo(-gu office) Neretljak but thought that one was taking things a wee bit too far 
Another trivia question could be along the lines of how many of the line 2 stations have 'island' platforms? I know that Sindorim, Sillim, Bongcheon & Seoul National University do as I used to travel that section a fair bit, and the Samseong station also does (gets bloody busy at times too with folk going to the COEX). No easy way to check the answer to that one out though short of traveling the entire length of the line and taking notes.
Any volunteers? |
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flotsam
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| Holyjoe wrote: |
Another trivia question could be along the lines of how many of the line 2 stations have 'island' platforms? I know that Sindorim, Sillim, Bongcheon & Seoul National University do as I used to travel that section a fair bit, and the Samseong station also does (gets bloody busy at times too with folk going to the COEX). No easy way to check the answer to that one out though short of traveling the entire length of the line and taking notes.
Any volunteers? |
I *beep* you not. I have long planned this urban adventure:
Hike the entire Line 2 loop, admiring the scenery and snapping some photos at every stop, and locating an appropriate venue for a "beverage" every third stop.
Any volunteers?
We will have t-shirts made up.
We can look into that island thing too, for the first 10 stations at least(and most). |
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JongnoGuru
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:56 am Post subject: |
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Oh come on, it's not that hard. I can't be the only one to've drunk-slept the loop. Can't be.
('okay fine. i'll catch it the next swing by'--zzzzzz)
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Holyjoe
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| flotsam wrote: |
| Holyjoe wrote: |
Another trivia question could be along the lines of how many of the line 2 stations have 'island' platforms? I know that Sindorim, Sillim, Bongcheon & Seoul National University do as I used to travel that section a fair bit, and the Samseong station also does (gets bloody busy at times too with folk going to the COEX). No easy way to check the answer to that one out though short of traveling the entire length of the line and taking notes.
Any volunteers? |
I *beep* you not. I have long planned this urban adventure:
Hike the entire Line 2 loop, admiring the scenery and snapping some photos at every stop, and locating an appropriate venue for a "beverage" every third stop.
Any volunteers?
We will have t-shirts made up.
We can look into that island thing too, for the first 10 stations at least(and most). |
Something I've always meant to do is the ever-popular Subcrawl on the Glasgow underground... though it's only 15 stops and you can buy cheap day passes so it's definitely more do-able than a Seoul one. A bunch of folk I know did the Glasgow one last weekend and it appears much merriment was had.
Anyway, count me in |
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Alan_Partridge
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:06 am Post subject: |
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I *beep* you not. I have long planned this urban adventure:
Hike the entire Line 2 loop, admiring the scenery and snapping some photos at every stop, and locating an appropriate venue for a "beverage" every third stop.
Any volunteers?
We will have t-shirts made up.
We can look into that island thing too, for the first 10 stations at least(and most). |
spooky...i was just thinking of doing that myself, and actually made a sorta kinda start last Sunday...went from Soellung to gangbyeon before i got hungry, tired and sunburned (still walked home though!)
so yes, count me in (by beverage, you do mean booze right?) |
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