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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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 Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| jaganath69 wrote: |
| Meh, couldn't give two pieces of sloppy monkey poop about this argument. I like Football, cricket and rugby. My American mate loves hockey and American Football. We have the courtesy to show interest in each other's sports, but can see as rational individuals that each have their realm and find no need to argue their relative merits and places in the world. |
Narrow-minded, instigating hate-mongerer. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:54 am Post subject: |
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Another thing that I really love about US Football is the variety in positions. Soccer players, with the exception of the keeper, basically perform the same functions. Run, kick, pass, shoot. Run, kick, pass, shoot. I know it's slightly more complicated than that on the pitch when running plays, but when you break it down, that's pretty much what each player does.
One of the most common comparisons to war has to be chess.
In war, as in football, you have division of labor and each piece plays it's part. Infantry, artillery, intelligence, special forces, etc. It's a helluva lot like chess in that manner, whereas if chess were played like soccer, every piece could perform the same manuevers and the game would be boring as $hit.
Victory. |
I can`t see how thats a way to judge a game`s merits. In tennis all they is hit the damn ball back over the net, same every time! But tennis is definitely one of the greatest sports ever played as far as Im concerned.
The whole idea of which game is toughest, more aggressive, more tactical, mare varied, more skillfull, just doesnt really work. Its either a good spectator sport or not. Tennis definitely is, soccer definitely is. |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:59 am Post subject: |
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| Some of the best street hockey players are a joke on ice because they can't skate, especially with all the 12 year old girls in tu-tus flying past them. |
Toe pick. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| What an arrogant lot you all are. Look, the sport is boring. |
Hmmm, interesting little fragment this...
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I don't go around bashing others' favorite sport unless, as in this case, in defense. I could easily critique Am. football. It's not any more perfect than any other sport, but when people are claiming there's something amiss with Americans because we don't like a boring sport, well...
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It is the least accurate of all sports. I'd say well less than 20 percent of the time does the ball actually go where intended. Just look at the number of shots to goals!!!
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Well Sherlock, could that be because it's actually really really hard to control a round ball with your foot? Just thinking out loud here... |
Damn.... you're a genius!
Why the hell do you think we find it boring? |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
Here's another good reason that we need less of the US at the World Cup:
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/sports/14776941.htm
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MUNICH, Germany - In the cavernous back room of Munich's famous Augustiner beer hall, Heiko Hofrichter sits at one of the long wooden tables, takes a sip of his thick brew, and explains why German soccer fans just can't swallow the fact that America's Budweiser is the official beer at the World Cup, which opens today.
"For Germans, Bud tastes like watered-down beer. It's not beer," complained Hofrichter, 24, a graduate student from the city of Nuremberg.
"It's Spuelwasser!" cried Robert Paustian, 32, from another table in the boisterous beer hall, using the German word for dishwater.
Other Germans haven't reacted so politely.
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I absolutely agree. I call it pisswater. Shudder every time I go in a place that has Bud.
Gross. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| Soccer is really the only sport that simulates war in any meaningful way. |
You've never actually watched a FOOTBALL game, it seems. If you did, you certainly didn't understand it. If you did and still came to that conclusion... well, I've got no explanation for such a silly statement in that case. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| seoulsucker wrote: |
Another thing that I really love about US Football is the variety in positions. Soccer players, with the exception of the keeper, basically perform the same functions. Run, kick, pass, shoot. Run, kick, pass, shoot. I know it's slightly more complicated than that on the pitch when running plays, but when you break it down, that's pretty much what each player does.
One of the most common comparisons to war has to be chess.
In war, as in football, you have division of labor and each piece plays it's part. Infantry, artillery, intelligence, special forces, etc. It's a helluva lot like chess in that manner, whereas if chess were played like soccer, every piece could perform the same manuevers and the game would be boring as $hit.
Victory. |
I... love... you, man...!
Seriously, that was beautiful. Not that I actually give a crap about tis thread.... it was just, damn well done. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| So basically you think its fine that there are players in US football that never touch the ball during their entire career. To me thats just ridiculous. |
A lineman who creates a hole in the defense, allowing the running back to break away for a touchdown is a huge part of the play. As good as a running back can be, he is nothing without a good line working hard to creat opportunities for him to score. Same with a QB. As good as a QB can be, if the O-line lets the defense run right over them, the QB's career won't last long enough to see what kind of numbers he could have put up.
Everyone on a football team has to work together to make a play work. If one person fails their job, then everything else on a play can fall apart. Example: A QB has a wide open reciever for a touchdown but gets sacked because someone on the O-line missed the snap count or slipped in the mud or just plain ol' got beat by the defenseman. Don't you find that at least a little interesting?
This is to say nothing of the mental aspects of the game. Coaches anticipate each other |
Oh, for Pete's sake, Pete!!! You talkin' 'bout TEAMWORK? Ya big hillbilly!! What der yer mean ever player on da fielt are an impertant part uv da success uv each an ever play?? Jis cuz ya gots to werk t'gedder lack a muc-chine don' mee a bill o' heans!!
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:00 am Post subject: |
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Damn.... you're a genius!
Why the hell do you think we find it boring? |
Because it's not part of your culture. It sure doesn't have anything to do with it not being a highly skill oriented game, which was my point. Obviously it's very hard to control that ball, which is why it's a less accurate game. And if you don't appreciate the high level of skill of course it's not going to get your rocks off. If it were in fact easy to control the ball, it would have less appeal, it would be less amazing, and the highly skilled players would not stand out as much... |
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jurassic5
Joined: 02 Apr 2003
Location: PA
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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An American perspective on Soccer (mine)......
why the hell did we come out and play like crap? sure, we dominated possession for the first 45, but that's only because we kept passing back with hopes of winning the head balls against giants that were being lobbed up from back there!!! i expected the US to put up a fight...not roll over and come out lethargic and dead like they did! eddie johnson was our lone bright spot..and he came off the bench. gooch, i thought u were gonna be the breakout player of this WC, but that yellow card 4 minutes helped Koller score that first goal that killed the team's spirit. landon and demarcus...where the hell were you two today? please show up next game.
Tomas Rosicky, my God...that was the most beautiful strike ever! although a US fan, i must applaud that goal...WOW.
anyways, hopefully the USMNT can put this game behind them and focus on Italy. if we can beat the italians and ghana..we have a shot! |
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TexasPete
Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| So basically you think its fine that there are players in US football that never touch the ball during their entire career. To me thats just ridiculous. |
A lineman who creates a hole in the defense, allowing the running back to break away for a touchdown is a huge part of the play. As good as a running back can be, he is nothing without a good line working hard to creat opportunities for him to score. Same with a QB. As good as a QB can be, if the O-line lets the defense run right over them, the QB's career won't last long enough to see what kind of numbers he could have put up.
Everyone on a football team has to work together to make a play work. If one person fails their job, then everything else on a play can fall apart. Example: A QB has a wide open reciever for a touchdown but gets sacked because someone on the O-line missed the snap count or slipped in the mud or just plain ol' got beat by the defenseman. Don't you find that at least a little interesting?
This is to say nothing of the mental aspects of the game. Coaches anticipate each other |
Oh, for Pete's sake, Pete!!! You talkin' 'bout TEAMWORK? Ya big hillbilly!! What der yer mean ever player on da fielt are an impertant part uv da success uv each an ever play?? Jis cuz ya gots to werk t'gedder lack a muc-chine don' mee a bill o' heans!!
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Sigh...i'm not actually from Texas. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| jurassic5 wrote: |
An American perspective on Soccer (mine)......
why the hell did we come out and play like crap? sure, we dominated possession for the first 45, but that's only because we kept passing back with hopes of winning the head balls against giants that were being lobbed up from back there!!! i expected the US to put up a fight...not roll over and come out lethargic and dead like they did! eddie johnson was our lone bright spot..and he came off the bench. gooch, i thought u were gonna be the breakout player of this WC, but that yellow card 4 minutes helped Koller score that first goal that killed the team's spirit. landon and demarcus...where the hell were you two today? please show up next game.
Tomas Rosicky, my God...that was the most beautiful strike ever! although a US fan, i must applaud that goal...WOW.
anyways, hopefully the USMNT can put this game behind them and focus on Italy. if we can beat the italians and ghana..we have a shot! |
If you beat the Italians and Ghana, you will qualify. No question.
I've not seen the full match but it sounds as though they decided they were gonna get beaten before they'd even stepped foot on the pitch....because the Czechs are too good. That's a sin in Soccer, coaches get fired for that. |
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jurassic5
Joined: 02 Apr 2003
Location: PA
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I've not seen the full match but it sounds as though they decided they were gonna get beaten before they'd even stepped foot on the pitch....because the Czechs are too good. That's a sin in Soccer, coaches get fired for that. |
the US actually looked beat and dead in warmups and even during the national anthem...but oh well...whatever the case...time to move on. gotta focus on Saturday's game with italy....but i think the US is wearing the blue jerseys again...damn...they are a curse! |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
I can`t see how thats a way to judge a game`s merits. In tennis all they is hit the damn ball back over the net, same every time! But tennis is definitely one of the greatest sports ever played as far as Im concerned.
The whole idea of which game is toughest, more aggressive, more tactical, mare varied, more skillfull, just doesnt really work. Its either a good spectator sport or not. Tennis definitely is, soccer definitely is. |
The depressing thing about tennis is: no matter how much I play, I'll never be as good as a wall. I played a wall once. They're fu(king relentless. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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I'm back in the U.S.
Picked up the Sports section.. the US OPEN on the front page (tennis).. there was also an additional added section of the sports for US Open.
Just beyond that is the Stanley Cup.. then Basketball Finals.
Found the World Cup way in the back of the section. It was right next to an editorial piece critizing the fact there was almost no coverage of it.
This was in the US Today newspaper.. but saw almost exactly the same thing in the local Honolulu newspaper as well. |
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