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Francis-Pax
Joined: 20 Nov 2005
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| mack the knife wrote: |
With regards to GEPIK, in practice, once you reach a certain limit (according to experience or certification), your salary can no longer increase. That is what I have heard from other level 1 GEPIK teachers and that is my own experience. Regardless of whether or not you "upgrade", you should get a pay increase. Have you ever worked ANY job, EVER, where you did not get a pay raise at least annually, if not bi-annually? You would have to be NUTS to accept a job where that did not happen. In the end, you would actually be LOSING money because of inflation.
My advice: If you want to work for a public school, avoid GEPIK/EPIK. The contracts are getting s**ttier by the minute. |
GPIK and EPIK have different pay schedules. EPIK new salary table goes up to almost 2.7 million for a person with the right experience and credentials. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| Why re-sign? Public schools are resembling hogwons more every day. |
How do you figure that?
Set work hours, stable, paid on time always, no added/last minute class changes (unless it means having time off), no monster students, a friendly atmosphere, resources, respect, looks better on a resume.... |
Thats true but look at the amount of time off: very little. I'm wit GPIK now and I only get 14 days a year. Similar to a hakwon. In fact at a hakwon u can at least choose the days you want off. I'm on level 1 so apparently i can't improve my payscale. Maybe EPIk is the go- up to 2.7 there if you stay long enough.
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| From the dirty little ajumas who want to sell combs for W500 outside of the fanciest department store in Korea, all the way up to the so-called president of the country, public sentiment rules them all. |
Like you say, it does feel that foreign teachers aren't granted equal benefits to koreans, presumably due to the injection of anti-foreigner sentiment over the past few years.. they get 5 weeks off a year I get 2. And yes I've campaigned to be exempted from summer camp but apparently the whole school is depending on me to spend the supposed holidays drumming English into the poor overworked kiddies yet more. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| a strong generalisation that bears no resemblence to reality |
A foolish comment that betrays your naivete. |
Some people call me the Idiot, but most never even read the book  .
PS:
It is a book by Dostoyevsky translated into English
Try and read it |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: standing right behind you...
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:01 am Post subject: |
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It is a book by Dostoyevsky translated into English
Try and read it |
You're not an idiot unless you actually buy into the cack you're selling. |
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sheeon
Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Location: korea
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject: I've been a level 1 teacher for quite some time |
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okay, i've been in Korea for at least 6 years now. When I first came as the Epik member, I got 1.8 million, with 300,000 housing allowance. (level 2) after two years, I was promoted to (level 1) 2,000,000 plus 300,000 housing allowance. then came in the bonus 100,000 provincial allowance (for being in a smaller province) and the housing allowance was increased to 500,000 per month. If you are a level 1 for more than two years, you get another 200,000 per month. So, all in all, I get 2.81 million after tax. (medical and pension deductions). Next September, I will get another 100,000 in raise. So before tax, it is 3.1 million.
When I do teacher's workshop (elementary teacher training) I get paid extra for teaching, (usually 1 million plus)
I don't need housing, since I have my own house. Now, I would call that steady raise.
Epik in my personal opinion have been good to me. It is not same as hakwon. |
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banillaq
Joined: 24 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Sheeon how did you manage to get 500,000 for a housing allowance? I get 300,000 and thought that was what everyone got. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject: Re: I've been a level 1 teacher for quite some time |
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| sheeon wrote: |
okay, i've been in Korea for at least 6 years now. When I first came as the Epik member, I got 1.8 million, with 300,000 housing allowance. (level 2) after two years, I was promoted to (level 1) 2,000,000 plus 300,000 housing allowance. then came in the bonus 100,000 provincial allowance (for being in a smaller province) and the housing allowance was increased to 500,000 per month. If you are a level 1 for more than two years, you get another 200,000 per month. So, all in all, I get 2.81 million after tax. (medical and pension deductions). Next September, I will get another 100,000 in raise. So before tax, it is 3.1 million.
When I do teacher's workshop (elementary teacher training) I get paid extra for teaching, (usually 1 million plus)
I don't need housing, since I have my own house. Now, I would call that steady raise.
Epik in my personal opinion have been good to me. It is not same as hakwon. |
This is similar to my situation, but I am also getting a 'bonus' from a local PTA fund. I too will get a raise, longer vacation time and less work hours in August, when I resign for a fourth year at level 1.
@ junior: A lot depends on your principal. Yes, the contract says 14 days; mine does too, yet I am at 3 weeks in summer and 3 in winter. How? I spoke with my principal after my first year, outlined my desires and made a deal. They are people and they can be reasoned with.
I am no super teacher or anything, but I work hard, am dependable and go over and above anytime I see the need for it. I have made myself worth their doing something to hold on to me and they have reciprocated. My first year, yes, I had the standard time. I just thought that I had to sacrifice now to make gains later. I knew I would be in this for a long while after my first week, so I made some long-term goals. One of them was to make myself valuable to the school; so much so that they will actually try to keep me around. Thankfully, it seems to have paid off for me. |
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sheeon
Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Location: korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Sheeon how did you manage to get 500,000 for a housing allowance? I get 300,000 and thought that was what everyone got. |
There is no way you could get a decent sized apartment with 300,000 in my city. (it's not Seoul or Busan, but still a fairly big and vibrant part of Korea). So, the Office of Ed kindly said that they would give 200,000 extra since other teachers were getting the same amount.
I never asked for the increase, actually, I refused at first, but they said I had to accept. I know it sounds crazy, but the supervisor was a really nice dude. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:06 am Post subject: |
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I work in Gyongi-do but I live in Seoul. I only get 300k per month which is supposed to be "traffic pay." They will not get me a house in Seoul, but they will let me have a house anywhere in Gyongi-do (up to 10 million key money and 500k a month). I suggested that they just give me 500k (I already have a house) but they refused because I don't want to live in Gyongi-do.  (I have to live in Seoul for personal reasons) My salary is incredibly low as a result. All this despite the fact that I speak decent Korean, work hard, and am popular with the children. The people who work at the education office are foolish. I am tempted to get a house at their expense and never live in it! Tax payers money at work. |
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Jasobang
Joined: 11 Dec 2005
Location: Bucheon
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| Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:49 am Post subject: |
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Elementary public schools are great, or atleast mine is. Level 1 with housing allowance, a few ot classes a week and 특기적성 and your easily into the mid to high 3's. Add in that the teaching is a joke, usually just fun and games, and the students are still at the level of curiousity and there you have it- fun days and great take-home.
If you like the job then the vacation takes care of itself. Renewing ups it from 14 days to over a month and I'm sure with some good behavior a few days here and there.
All in all, I wouldn't trade it for the world, or atleast not another ELT world in Korea. |
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UncleAlex
Joined: 04 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject: GEPIK |
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Public schools do resemble hagwons in some ways: 10 days annual vacation,
last minute class changes without proper notice given to only the foreign teacher,
excessive number of classes compared with that of the Korean teachers, contract
violations, low housing allowance that fails to meet today's cost of living, and
poor accommodation, and long work days. In many hagwons, one is at school
for only 5 or 6 hours a day, whereas at a public school one must be there for at
least 8 hours; to go to the bank or post office during the day one must sign the
black book and receive the VP's permission and stamp of approval. Yes, in their
own way public schools are as demanding as hagwons.  |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: standing right behind you...
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| GEPIK funds are all dried up. EPIK and SMOE are much more attractive now (2.3mil max salary at GEPIK vs. 2.7 at EPIK and 3 at SMOE) Why would anyone want to stick with GEPIK? Same hours, less money, farther away from Seoul=bad deal. |
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