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U.S.A. and the Game of Ice Hockey
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Roch



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:05 pm    Post subject: U.S.A. and the Game of Ice Hockey Reply with quote

Are the so-called Americans a "Good Team" in the sport of Ice Hockey?

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flotsam



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

아이구..
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ajgeddes



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely top 5, but it just seems you never know who is going to show up with the Americans, and goaltending is usually a big issue which is HUGE in hockey.
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inspector gadget



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Certainly, they are in the upper tier of world hockey along with Sweden, Finland, Russia, Czech rep and Canada

More and more US born players are playing in the NHL however they do seem to be weak in the net, as another poster stated thats really important in hockey.
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VanIslander



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
Definitely top 5, but it just seems you never know who is going to show up with the Americans, and goaltending is usually a big issue which is HUGE in hockey.

uh... definitely Top 7.

Slovakia and Finland have had more success in the last quarter century.

Any of the Top-7 teams could win a world championship, olympics medal, junior championship or have stars in the NHL.

there's a big drop off after that. The 8th best team cannot be compared to the top 7. The gulf is too great.
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Newbie



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right now, I'd put them at about the #5 or #6 spot. Seems to me that they peaked in the early-mid 90's. With the exception of making it to the Olympic finals in 2002, they've been doing pretty poorly lately. However, they do have some good young players coming up so in another 5-10 years they might be a force again.

Bettman really killed hockey in the USA. Back when there were 21, 23-25 teams Americans were really getting into the game (again, early-mid 90's) So jerkoff decided to give a team to pretty much any American city wanting one. The results were a watered down game that a good number of Americans got turned off of. Heck, I nearly got turned off it myself.
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ajgeddes



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is some interesting information about participation. (Still a lot of countries are left out of this, most notably, Switzerland)

Canada has a total of 574,125 players (1,76% of its population)

The United States has a total of 485,017 registered players (0,16% of its population)

Russia has a total of 77,702 players (0,05% of its population)

The Czech Republic has 72,075 players (0,7% of its population)

Sweden has a total of 65,613 players (0,7% of its population)

Finland has a total of 52,597 registered players (1,0% of its population)

Germany has a total of 25,934 registered players (0,03% of its population).

Slovakia has a total of 12,375 players (0,23% of its population)

Denmark currently has 4,255 players (0,07 of its population)

Belarus has 2,850 players (0,02% of its population)

Latvia has 2,740 players (0,12% of its population)

Kazakhstan has 1,800 registered players (0,01% of its population)

Ukraine has a total of 1,728 players (0,003% of its population)

Slovenia has only 980 players (0,05% of its population)
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ajgeddes



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And here is the Men's international rankings. (First time Canada hasn't been number 1 in about 5 years)

1 Sweden 4095 +1
2 Czech Republic 3985 +1
3 Canada 3890 -2
4 Finland 3830 +3
5 Russia 3725 -
6 Slovakia 3685 -2
7 United States of America 3580 -1
8 Switzerland 3500 -
9 Latvia 3310 -
10 Belarus 3230 +2
11 Kazakhstan 3115 +4
12 Germany 3110 -2
13 Ukraine 3005 -2
14 Denmark 3005 -
15 Norway 2935 +3
16 Austria 2930 -3
17 Italy 2915 +2
18 Slovenia 2870 -2
19 France 2720 -2
20 Poland 2580 +1
21 Japan 2540 -1
22 Hungary 2430 -
23 The Netherlands 2360 -
24 Estonia 2325 -
25 Lithuania 2270 +2
26 Romania 2135 -
27 Croatia 2000 +3
28 China 1970 -
29 Serbia and Montenegro 1745 -
30 Bulgaria 1715 +3
31 Great Britain 1580 -6
32 Korea 1320 -1
33 Israel 1275 +2
34 Australia 1215 -
35 Belgium 1200 -3
36 DPR Korea 1105 -
37 Spain 1040 -
38 New Zealand 925 -
39 Mexico 845 +4
40 Iceland 840 -1
41 South Africa 830 -1
42 Turkey 775 -1
43 Luxembourg 705 -1
44 Ireland 585 -
45 Armenia 580 -
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VanIslander



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
And here is the Men's international rankings. (First time Canada hasn't been number 1 in about 5 years)

1 Sweden 4095 +1
2 Czech Republic 3985 +1
3 Canada 3890 -2
4 Finland 3830 +3
5 Russia 3725 -
6 Slovakia 3685 -2
7 United States of America 3580

Exactly. Definitely Top 7. I don't want to bash them because they are good. But no more than others on that list.
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jinju



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a thread dedicated to the lamest of sports? Well saying top 7 isnt really much considering that hockey really is taken seriously in about 5-10 countries. By seriously I mean isnt a totally fringe sport on par with bowling and curling.
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sjrm



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
a thread dedicated to the lamest of sports? Well saying top 7 isnt really much considering that hockey really is taken seriously in about 5-10 countries. By seriously I mean isnt a totally fringe sport on par with bowling and curling.


nobody asked for your lame opinion. go away
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ajgeddes



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ignore Jinju, he is still just bitter about how he was a complete loser growing up, while most of the hockey players completely ignored him. Then he tried to learn to skate, so he could play hockey, but it turns out he is a completely useless *beep* on ice. Razz
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jinju



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
Ignore Jinju, he is still just bitter about how he was a complete loser growing up, while most of the hockey players completely ignored him. Then he tried to learn to skate, so he could play hockey, but it turns out he is a completely useless *beep* on ice. Razz


Heres where yo are wrong. I NEVER tried to learn and I always considered jocks beneath me.
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sjrm



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
ajgeddes wrote:
Ignore Jinju, he is still just bitter about how he was a complete loser growing up, while most of the hockey players completely ignored him. Then he tried to learn to skate, so he could play hockey, but it turns out he is a completely useless *beep* on ice. Razz


Heres where yo are wrong. I NEVER tried to learn and I always considered jocks beneath me.


i know it's better if i ignored your ignorant opinions, but if you never learned how to skate, than how do you know hockey players don't have a lot of skill, stamina, etc.? maybe you should keep your mouth shut unless you've actually gone out and tried something.
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khyber



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I always considered jocks beneath me

Freudian slip?
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