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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:14 am Post subject: They're Coming to America (to choose their baby's gender) |
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It's a boy! If you want a boy
By Carla K. Johnson
Associated Press
Published June 15, 2006
The Chinese want boys, and the Canadians want girls. If they have enough money, they come to the United States to choose the sex of their babies.
Well-off foreign couples are getting around laws banning sex selection in their home countries by coming to American soil, where it's legal, for medical procedures that can give them the boy or girl they want.
"Some people spend $50,000 to $70,000 for a BMW car and think nothing of it, but this is a life that's going to be with us forever," said Robert, an Australian who asked that his last name not be used to protect the family's privacy.
He and his wife, Joanna, have two boys. Now they want a girl. Australia allows gender selection of embryos only to avoid an inherited disease.
The United States' lack of regulation means a growing global market for a few fertility clinics. These businesses advertise in airline magazines or post Web sites aimed at luring clients worldwide.
Opponents say this amounts to medical tourism for designer babies and should awaken lawmakers.
But one doctor who offers embryo selection for about $20,000 says he is serving the marketplace and helping nature, not playing God. People will be less alarmed as sex selection becomes more routine, said Dr. Jeffrey Steinberg of the Fertility Institutes of Los Angeles and Las Vegas.
"It's new. It's scary. We understand that," Steinberg said. His Web site features an image of a Chinese flag alongside information about sex selection. "Near 100 percent (99.99 percent) effective gender selection methods to help balance families," the Web site promises.
"We basically want them to know it's available," Steinberg said of the international push. The Web page on sex selection generates 140,000 hits a month from China, he said, and the only country outpacing China's interest is Canada.
Patients come from all over
In a recent week, his clinics performed the procedure on eight women from abroad and consulted with 12 new foreign patients from China, Germany, Canada, the Czech Republic, Guam, Mexico and New Zealand, he said.
Most couples are affluent, Steinberg said. But some, like Australians Robert and Joanna, have moderate incomes. Robert, 30, works as a construction supervisor and Joanna, 27, is a part-time secretary.
The couple visited Steinberg's Los Angeles clinic in May and, including airfare, will spend half their annual income to have a female embryo implanted in Joanna's uterus.
The procedure, which Steinberg also offers as an add-on service for infertile couples, determines the gender of a batch of fertilized eggs and implants only embryos of the wanted sex. This process--called preimplantation genetic diagnosis--is more widely used to screen for genetic diseases.
"The Chinese like boys. Canadians like girls. Every country is different," he said, adding that the boy-girl preference balances out at 50-50 when all his clients are added together.
Foes call it "consumer eugenics" and say it opens the door to a future where parents will choose their babies' hair color, eye color and potential to grow tall enough to play basketball. U.S. doctors are catering to the same gender bias that has led to female infanticide in China and India, opponents said.
"What you're saying is it's better you don't exist than be the wrong gender for my family. And that's a shocking assertion," said Matthew Eppinette, director of research at the Center for Bioethics and Human Dignity, a Christian bioethics group.
Controversial use
The method can prevent sex-linked inherited diseases. But when it's used solely to help a couple get a coveted girl or round out a family of daughters with a wanted son, the practice is controversial, even among doctors who specialize in reproductive medicine.
"We don't do that. Sex is not a disease," snapped Yuri Verlinsky, director of the Reproductive Genetics Institute in Chicago.
The American Society for Reproductive Medicine says sex selection of embryos is clearly ethical when the method is used to prevent genetic disease. But the professional group discourages its use for choosing one gender over another. The group says the practice risks reinforcing sexism in society and diverts medical resources from real medical needs.
While many countries prohibit sex selection techniques without a medical purpose, the United States has no such ban.
Another group, the Center for Genetics and Society, is calling for regulation of the practice and its marketing.
"Right now the market is driving practices rather than social and ethical concerns," said Sujatha Jesudason of the center. "People who have money to pay for it are getting the children of their choice."
The Australians, Robert and Joanna, see gender selection as no different ethically and morally from in vitro fertilization for infertile couples. They reject the term "designer babies."
"It's not like we want some 6-foot-tall, blue-eyed Brad Pitt lookalike," Robert said. "I naturally have something and my wife naturally has something and it's taken out of our bodies and then you're getting a doctor to mix it together and put it back in. ... We're not messing around with God the creator."
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Sex selection bans
The United States allows the selection of embryos based on sex. Here are some other nations' laws on sex selection:
- Banned, with no exceptions: Austria
- Banned, except for medical reasons: Germany, Switzerland
- Banned, except to avoid hereditary gender-related disorders: Australia, Canada, France, India, Japan, Netherlands, United Kingdom
Source: Genetics and Public Policy Center at Johns Hopkins University. |
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RachaelRoo

Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:38 am Post subject: |
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Wouldn't it prevent infanticide in some places? If Chinese culture does not value girls, let's wait 40 or 50 years when boys outnumber girls 2:1 and see if that helps to change things.
Who is the government to tell people it's okay to have an abortion - but only for politically correct reasons? Our bodies our choice, right? If one accepts that abortion is not immoral, than I don't see why abortion for gender selection is immoral. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:56 am Post subject: |
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I guess you are correct Rachel.......if you are right, I'm not able to say. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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RachaelRoo wrote: |
Wouldn't it prevent infanticide in some places? If Chinese culture does not value girls, let's wait 40 or 50 years when boys outnumber girls 2:1 and see if that helps to change things.
Who is the government to tell people it's okay to have an abortion - but only for politically correct reasons? Our bodies our choice, right? If one accepts that abortion is not immoral, than I don't see why abortion for gender selection is immoral. |
I don't think choosing the sex of your baby necessarily counts as an inalienable right. The reason why supporting abortion would be so important is because there are conditions where giving birth would be burdensome (or worse) for the mother. Having a girl is not burdensome. In fact, given the demographic instability of some countries, having a girl can be very important.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, this is an issue that should be debated by the legislature openly in a democratic society. Their decision should be upheld by the courts, whatever it may be. Personally, I prefer the laws of Australia, Canada, France, India, Japan, Netherlands, United Kingdom on this issue. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Kuros wrote: |
RachaelRoo wrote: |
Wouldn't it prevent infanticide in some places? If Chinese culture does not value girls, let's wait 40 or 50 years when boys outnumber girls 2:1 and see if that helps to change things.
Who is the government to tell people it's okay to have an abortion - but only for politically correct reasons? Our bodies our choice, right? If one accepts that abortion is not immoral, than I don't see why abortion for gender selection is immoral. |
I don't think choosing the sex of your baby necessarily counts as an inalienable right. The reason why supporting abortion would be so important is because there are conditions where giving birth would be burdensome (or worse) for the mother. Having a girl is not burdensome. In fact, given the demographic instability of some countries, having a girl can be very important.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, this is an issue that should be debated by the legislature openly in a democratic society. Their decision should be upheld by the courts, whatever it may be. Personally, I prefer the laws of Australia, Canada, France, India, Japan, Netherlands, United Kingdom on this issue. |
If it's a woman's choice to decide whether she wants to have a baby, then isn't it also her choice to decide whether she wants to have a boy or have a girl?
I'm just waiting for technology to reach the point where scientists can create a new-born twelve-year-old and one can enjoy parenthood without having to put up with years of screaming little brats. Perhaps then I'll consider settling down with one boy and one girl, please. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:55 am Post subject: |
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Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
If it's a woman's choice to decide whether she wants to have a baby, then isn't it also her choice to decide whether she wants to have a boy or have a girl? |
Not traditionally, no. Most of the time in human history parents have not been able to choose.
Rachel may have a point, tho. It might prevent infanticides in some places, the only thing is that I doubt the people in the income bracket of being able to come to the US and shop for the sex of their baby (who are we kidding, to be able to pay to have a boy instead of a girl) would be the people commonly committing infanticide. |
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